Discussion in 'Horror Stories' started by RRouuselot, Apr 18, 2005.
I guess on this board you get to kick the fraud once he's already down...
MT's fraud policy is being reexamined.
There are many issues to consider. Legal, moral, ethical for example.
Scope of the "crime" for example.
From here, it's my personal opinion.
There is a difference between polite exaggeration, misunderstanding and attempting to correct ones deficiencies, and out right falsification, deception and lies.
I am more concerned with the fake military backgrounds, walls full of paper, and the guy claiming to be top-ranks selling tapes, dvds, books and touring, rather than a small town school owner who uses the "wrong" teacher title for his art with a "hall of fame" cert on his wall.
Frank Dux, Ashida Kim, etc are all "high profile".
"Bobs Dojo of Ninjer Death"...well...who cares, really?
Most of these clowns get more play from the busting than they would ever get otherwise. MT's mission isn't to be "fraud info central". The "Horror Stories" section was intended not to be a clearing house for fraud info, but to be a place where people could put their "bad experiences", ie: personal interaction tales. Not random clowns one finds surfing around.
There is ONE exception to that, and that is sexual preditors.
If an instructor has been CONVICTED (not arrested, accused, etc) of sexually related crimes (rape, molestation, contact, etc), then that should go out as far as possible. Alot of the other stuff can be easily covered by pointing to various resources that track phoney vets, etc. combined with a detailed examination (without naming names) on what is and is not legit.
My opinion. May or may not fit with current policy.
1) polite exaggeration I dont really understand the nuance of this in regards to MA.
I can see if a woman claims she is 30 when in actual fact she maybe 35 could be considered polite exaggeration and a womans prerogative, but a guy that lets say claims an 8th or 9th dan in Shotokan when he knows good and well he is not since that would make him one of the, if not THE, highest rank in Shotokan worldwide is not polite exaggeration but an outright lie. A woman can make a polite exaggeration about her age since it affects basically nobody, a guy claiming a high rank like 9th dan in Shotokan affects every student and perspective student he comes in contact with, not to mention the integrity of other martial artists they may have actually earned high rank.
2) Fake military records are something law enforcement takes care of, fake martial arts ranks/training/claims/records are things other martial artists should take care of.
2 people claim to be 9th.
1 has a series of tapes, a world wide organization, and travels the globe.
The other is located in Mayberry USA, teaches out of his garage, and does "tricks" to amuse the "locals".
Who's the bigger target?
The guy that claims it on his website for the world to see.
Thats not really an answer.
Say everything else is the same.
Actually it is an answer to a hypothetical situation.
Here is a non-hypothetical case
the 9th dan I mentioned at the beginning of this thread does use his fake rank as a marketing tool to give seminars and seems to be making money from it even though he is just a huckleberry.
Here is part of his Mission Statement:
1)[font="] [/font]To host camps and seminars to provide expert instruction to all members.
2) To have a positive impact on the martial arts community by teaching people about the values of respect, courtesy and the self-confidence that comes from knowing how to protect yourself.
3) To provide a fair promotion system for all martial artists.
4) To be an organization that is free of politics and egos.
1)[font="] [/font]and charging a fee for them
2)[font="] [/font]values like claiming something you are not???
3)[font="] [/font]The cons of giving rank to other styles has been discussed on other threads.
4)[font="] [/font]egos like claiming various high dan ranks many of which can not be true.
Granted he is not on the level of say Jack papa Stern or Michael J Davis but not everyone can be a "poster child".
What Jack Stern wants you to think he is:
What jack Stern really is:
What Michael J Davis wants you to think he is:
The Traditional Arts Institute
Tatsunote Hombu Dojo
(Hand of the Dragon School of the Way)
Biography of Michael J. Davis
Jodan Mae Geri Keikomi
With over a quarter of a century of training in the combative and energetic arts, Sensei Davis holds the following ranks and instructor certifications in the following stated arts:
Yondan/Renshi, Ryukyu Kempo Karate-do
Yondan/Renshi, Matsukaze Aikibudo
Nidan, Shotokan Karate-do
Shodan, Hoshinroshiryu Jutaijutsu
Chodan, Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan
Chodan, Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan
Lakan Dalawa, Modern Arnis
Certified Instructor, Torite-jutsu
Certified Instructor, Open Circle Fighting Method (OCFM)
Certified Instructor (Level II), Lin Kong Jing Qigong
Koshiki Usui Reiki Ryodo (Level II)
In addition to the arts listed above, Sensei Davis has trained in a variety of other arts with different instructors. The following is a list of arts that he has trained in, but not pursued any formal rank:
Okinawan Goju-ryu Karate-do (IOGKF and Jundokan)
Chen Shi Taijiquan (Laojia Taolu Yi Lu, Er Lu/Pao Chui, Tui Shou, Chan Si Gong, and Sanshiba)
Lam Shi Taijiquan (Small Circle Form)
Yang Shi Taijiquan (Traditional 108 posture form and modern 24 posture form)
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu
Fujian Baihequan (White Crane Fist) Gongfu
Bajiquan Gongfu (Eight Infinite Fist - Li Shu Wen lineage)
Piquazhang Gongfu (Splitting/Deflecting Palm Style - Li Shu Wen lineage)
Yiquan (Dachengquan) Gongfu
Sensei Davis is a firm believer in the martial and healing aspects of the energetic arts. With that in mind, the following is a list of the martial, health and healing arts that he has experience in:
Lin Kong Jing Qigong (Powerful Empty Force Energy Work - Richard Mooney lineage)
Wuxing Qigong (5 Element Energy Work - Dr. Vince Black lineage)
Soaring Crane Qigong (He Xiang Zhuang - Pang Ming lineage)
Wild Goose Qigong (Dayan Qigong - Yang Meijun lineage)
Iron Palm Qigong (Tie Sha Zhang - Ku Yu Cheung/Gu Ru Zhang lineage)
Zhan Zhuang Qigong (Standing Stake Energy Work - Wang Xiang Zhai/Yu Yong Nian lineage)
Dragon's Gate Complete Reality School of Taoism (Lung Men Chuan Chen Tao)
Koshiki Usui Reiki Ryodo (Level II - Usui lineage)
Sensei Davis is also a firm believer in the power of the written word as a learning tool. He has been asked to share his knowledge and information in this manner on many occasions. The following is a list of his publication credits:
Co-author of the Dragon Society International's Torite-jutsu Reference Manual (authored the chapter on the 5 Elements or Gyogo/Wuxing)
Martial Arts Illustrated (09/2004, Vol. 17 No. 4)
The Case for the 5 Elements in Vital Point Study: An Open Response to Rick Clark
(Currently under development)
An Introduction to Traditional Chinese Medicine in the Martial Arts
Black Book Fall/Winter 1997
Tori Technique #1 (Brush/Grab/Strike)
Combat Magazine (Vol. 24, No. 11)
Dragon Society International Webpage
Point Analysis: GB-20
Combat Magazine (Vol. 1, No. 1)
Dragon Chronicles (4th Quarter 1997)
Dragon Society International Webpage
Other points of interest concerning Sensei Davis and his accomplishments within the martial arts community are as follows:
One of the first six (6) people to ever be awarded a yudansha ranking in Torite-jutsu.
One of the first five (5) people to ever be awarded an instructor certification (menkyo) in Torite-jutsu.
Has traveled nationally and internationally teaching or assisting with the teaching of seminars on vital points or related topics.
First American to be awared instructor certification in the Open Circle Fighting Method (OCFM) by the Open Circle Institute (OCI).
Appointed to the Dragon Society International (DSI) research team by Professor Rick Moneymaker.
Appointed by Dr. Glenn Morris to serve as an ambassador between the Dragon Society International and the Hoshinroshiryu.
1999 inductee to the world Martial Arts Hall of Fame (Martial Artist of the Year).
Appeared in numerous video training tapes distributed nationally and internationally.
Written numerous articles that have been published nationally and internationally.
Has trained law enforcement officers from the federal, state and local level in the use of vital points.
Has had live-in students (uchideshi) from both the US and Europe come live and train with him for advanced knowledge.
What Michael J Davis really is:
Name: DAVIS, MICHAEL JAMES
Last Known Location: HOUSTON, TX. (Previously KNOXVILLE, TN)
Narr: AuthentiSEAL webmaster Liz Logan's former beau (she thought he was a former SEAL until she discovered VeriSEAL and we told her otherwise). Davis claimed BUD/S class "1176" until it was pointed out to him that there was no such class. He quickly revised his claim to class "176". Unfortunately for him, he wasn't in that class either. He bills himself as a martial arts grand superstar (master of the super secret Chinese Death Touch, of course) and claims to be a one-time ace operator at SEAL Team SIX and an attachment to JSOC in the early 1980s until he supposedly "blew out a knee" on a HALO. When he learned that his name had been posted in the Hall of Shame he contacted us with a long, Clintonesque diatribe about how our information was "incorrect". However, he stopped short of stating that he had never claimed to be a SEAL,
primarily because he is still spinning this lie to his friends and colleagues. He proceeded to inform them -- with an ever-increasing variety of BS -- that this was all simply a "misunderstanding".
He then threatened to sue us along with nearly half of the world's population. In a frantic attempt to discover who blew the lid off his dirty little SEAL lie, Davis has even gone so far as to threaten blackmail against acquaintances of his with whom we've never had contact.
During the time Davis claims he was in the Teams, he was actually in prison for armed robbery of a bowling alley (Can you say "Born to Lose"?).
UPDATE: Davis was expelled from the Dragon Society International and fired from his job following his exposure as a slimy, lying ex-con and phony SEAL. Look for him to resurface in the future after fabricating a new "history" for himself, most likely under an alias. He'd better try plastic surgery, too, 'cause his photo is staying right here. Some law enforcement agencies are also looking at him now regarding some "questionable" activities we will not mention here. And, in case you're wondering, we're also curious about whether he's a felon in possession of any firearms. Probably. He's already proven he's too dumb to know when to quit.
This scumbag was just begging for the endoscopic treatment so we sincerely hope he's enjoying it. We do aim to please. Until he straightens up and flies right, we'll let you know what dishonorable deeds he perpetrates next.
it appears as though the guy in your first post has his webpage down for maintainence.......hmmm
Please be careful of copyright laws when posting things from websites.
OH it doesn't get any sweeter than this people...........
an update from my pals at VeriSEAL
Now THAT is fair and balanced reporting.
People just go right on amazing me.......
Now even this little bit of supposedly "true history" makes me wonder. I dont believe (not 100% positive) that any SCUDS were fired in the 2nd Iraq war. Well, maybe Im wrong on that one....
And whats with all the Japanese flavor to a Korean stylist???
BTW is he one hairy dude or what?
Too bad the Nashville Scene reporter didn't interview Omega, one of the Bullshido mods who had the good fortune to be present at a Chris Garland exhibition. According to Omega, Garland boogied onstage to hiphop/techno music, mouthing "We do this for real!" He taped a cucumber onto a woman's arm, cut it with a sword, cut her in the process, and then blamed her for the injury, accusing her of moving during the stunt. He had a man hold an apple in his mouth and then proceeded to knock the poor dope out with nunchaku; presumably the intent of the stunt was to knock the apple out of his mouth with the nunchaku. And finally, he clutched a small live bird in his fist and broke a suspended board; unfortunately his little avian assistant did not survive the stunt.
Just the kind of man we need in the world's hot spots...
Wow, that's classic.
Some people just lead very sad lives obviously, if they need to make up stuff like that.
wow . thats crazy
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