Not in the least, I was actually asking you questions not attacking you, none of which you've answered btw.
Taking the Martial out of the Art.....
- Thread starter tsdmdk
- Start date
Not in the least, I was actually asking you questions not attacking you, none of which you've answered btw.
I am sorry if I missed a question or two, but I do see this one:
When you learn your hyungs do you also understand what they are for and why you do them? Or is it just about doing the movements?
The answer would be, I guess. It is supposed to help you learn rythm, control and breathing???
No, that may be by-products but that's not the purpose of them. to be honest I could cry with frustration every time I hear this!
http://iainabernethy.co.uk/article/basics-bunkai-part-1
http://iainabernethy.co.uk/article/brief-history-kata
if you are just learning them as a series of meaningless movements you are being badly served by your instructors indeed.
Great read, indeed! Thank you very much for the links!
Iain is absolutely brilliant and is at the forefront of the use of practical applications in karate. TSD is so like Wado Ryu and Shotokan so you will have no difficulty in seeing the techniques in the hyungs. Start looking for the Bunkai and I can promise you your whole training will be transformed, it's that good ...and it's what the hynugs/patterns/kata are for!
I'd have to say that when I first started reading the first article, I never even thought how something like a high block could be turned into a strike. I always thought to myself, when I spar, how come I never use the "correct" blocking technique by using the correct chambering, etc. I guess the answer really is, that isn't really possible to pull that off in a real fight, is it? When I spar, I block, and I block well, but I never do it the way I do it in a form. So making a high block or an outside inside block an actual strike while in close makes a lot of sense to me!
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I am sorry, my friend, but I am not going to answer that question. It would do nothing but change the way someone may feel towards that school/chain.
I do wish people who misread posts would actually bother to ask the person making the post what they meant instead of doling out anonymous neg rep, please have the courage of your convictions and don't hide behind anonymity.
I haven't attacked anyone's martial arts style, I've asked some questions about something someone wrote. It's been misread as an attack when it really wasn't, trust me, when I attack there really is no mistake about it. :uhohh:
I haven't attacked anyone's martial arts style, I've asked some questions about something someone wrote. It's been misread as an attack when it really wasn't, trust me, when I attack there really is no mistake about it. :uhohh:
Steve
Mostly Harmless
It does make it difficult to believe you, though. If you recieved poor service in a restaurant, would you feel bad posting a review on yelp? What about a bad movie? Would you be reluctant to share your experience? Why is this different?
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
harlan
2nd Black Belt
Question for Steve: not sure...but would 'naming names' be against the forum's policy?
I doubt very much anyone would change their mind about the place they trained at just because of something was said on here, they may have an explanation or a reason the poster saw what he did, they may say that's never happened, the poster was mistaken, there's various reasons we should know which club it was. I've never across behaviour like that alleged but perhaps the place is known for it or perhaps there was in a mistake in the reporting of it, we would like to know that's all.
harlan
2nd Black Belt
Well, Tez, I was asking Steve, who was asking 'why not' for a name.
I wasn't sure, and so asked for clarification. I could only find this, and in the spirit of wanting to keep discussion focused on the topic.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?80414-Revised-Policies-Non-Desirables
I wasn't sure, and so asked for clarification. I could only find this, and in the spirit of wanting to keep discussion focused on the topic.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?80414-Revised-Policies-Non-Desirables
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I'll let a mod chime in on that. My personal opinion is that this isn't fraud busting. It's establishing credibility.
Look. It's easy to make stuff up. The description of the "MMA/BJJ" school is so completely foreign to anything I've ever seen or heard about that it is, frankly, very difficult for me to believe. And an unwillingness to share the name of this school doesn't help establish credibility. If preferred, Kaygee, you can PM me the name. If this school DOES exist, I'm sure you can understand that I'd like to know about it so that I can share the information within the relatively small MMA/BJJ community.
harlan
2nd Black Belt
A different label but the same thing. I must have missed some details somewhere...but it sounds like if a member isn't willing to name names, that they have to 'prove themselves' via PM?
Steve
Mostly Harmless
To be clear, he doesn't have to name names, but I'm going to make it very clear in the thread for anyone reading now and in the future that as someone knowledgeable in the specific style in question, I think his allegation is so far away from the norm, it's almost surely untrue.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I do not see any reason why I have to share the name of this school with you, or anyone!
I have posted my story and my story is on this forum and my story is true!......And it wasn't meant to put any type of school down, it was just my story. I woldn't have posted it if I knew people would be this sensitive to it.
Believe it, or don't believe it...that's your decision and it doesn't matter to me which decision you decide to make!
So make I'll it "very clear" in the thread for anyone reading now, and in the future, that my "allegation" is so far away from the norm, it's almost surely untrue.
There, I did it for ya! And I do not doubt that it was an odd occurrence! But it DID indeed happen! I've never witnessed so much anger and mistrust on a martial arts message board before......
I have posted my story and my story is on this forum and my story is true!......And it wasn't meant to put any type of school down, it was just my story. I woldn't have posted it if I knew people would be this sensitive to it.
Believe it, or don't believe it...that's your decision and it doesn't matter to me which decision you decide to make!
So make I'll it "very clear" in the thread for anyone reading now, and in the future, that my "allegation" is so far away from the norm, it's almost surely untrue.
There, I did it for ya! And I do not doubt that it was an odd occurrence! But it DID indeed happen! I've never witnessed so much anger and mistrust on a martial arts message board before......
Steve
Mostly Harmless
You don't. But at the same time, in any discussion here or anywhere else, it's a rare situation to be able to make unsubstantiated claims without expecting some push back. Were I to claim I walked into a Tang Soo Do school and saw the instructor teaching a class full of circus animals, I'd expect to either substantiate the claim or have my credibility questioned. It's far fetched.
Well, here's the thing. It was intended to be a put down. You were absolutely critical of that school (and rightfully so, if it was actually run the way you say it was.)
Thanks! I don't believe it. But I'm willing to admit my mistake should evidence to the contrary be provided.
I don't think anyone's angry. I'm certainly not. I don't think Tez is. She's got a pretty thick skin. I am posting more with an iPad, and so my posts tend to be a lot shorter, which means that I'm cutting to the chase a little more. Typing on that little keypad with my fat fingers is tedious.
And I don't think we're inherently mistrustful. But if I were to say, "That guy teaching circus animals? His Sa Bum Nim is a 3rd dan AND a chimpanzee!" Is it possible? I... guess it could be. Would you take that at face value? I should hope not.
Ultimately, as I said earlier, if you ate at a terrible Italian Restaurant, would you be reluctant to share the name? I wouldn't. Yelp exists entirely based on the presumption that most wouldn't. Most people would consider your honest account to be helpful. So, why are you reluctant to share details of your experience here? I honestly don't get it.
OK, here's the deal:
Nobody is required to name names in a case like this. If they're not comfortable doing so, they don't have to. The lack of a name may cause people to doubt the story -- or not. Credibility is in the eye of the reader; the administration here very rarely and only in very extreme cases will get involved in that sort of thing. Hounding them about it could become a problem.
Fraudbusting is a "we know it when we see it" sort of thing... The staff has, more than once, tried to pin it down better than that, with little success. It's generally OK to ask about someone's credentials or ask about an instructor or school's quality or reputation -- but not to hound people for answers.
Nobody is required to name names in a case like this. If they're not comfortable doing so, they don't have to. The lack of a name may cause people to doubt the story -- or not. Credibility is in the eye of the reader; the administration here very rarely and only in very extreme cases will get involved in that sort of thing. Hounding them about it could become a problem.
Fraudbusting is a "we know it when we see it" sort of thing... The staff has, more than once, tried to pin it down better than that, with little success. It's generally OK to ask about someone's credentials or ask about an instructor or school's quality or reputation -- but not to hound people for answers.
