I was trying to get some insight into Taegue Il Jang application, by giving the thread some insight into my back ground, to see if there was any common ground to dialog on. I truly did not come here to be miss understood, but to merely share in the spirit of the arts. In the above I was being agreeable, but at the same time inquisitive pertaining to the comment about "twisting motions" as mentioned in a previous post. Also my last sentence mentions this, "My intent is to dialog, and share, not to win a war on words. Thanks in advance". Above, you are reading me wrong, and make it very clear that you feel that I am trespassing, so to speak, on issues I know nothing about. This was not my intent, and I really don't want to get invalved in the infighting I perceive that is taking place. Your words Daniel, "Why, if you are an Okinawan karateka do you stay away from karate threads may I ask"? My words, "I don't generally find myself straying away from the karate threads, and may have some reservations in the future". The meaning of my words, "and may have some reservations in the future". Answer, "of straying away from the, karate threads". I will stay there where I have done well for 5 years, with ANY verbal conflict.