Still voting for Obama?

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  1. cdunn

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    I will vote for Mr. Obama - of what is available, I believe that he is best for the nation.

    There are may things about his first term that have disappointed me. Amoung them are Gitmo, drone assassinations of Americans. I am not yet sure if I should be unhappy with the administration's response to any intelligence that indicated Benghazi, because I do not really have a clear idea of what they knew, when, and what responses were available to State, given the the $500 million dollar security budget cut the House GOP imposed on that Department; the budget that pays for security teams, building embassies, etc. I also do not know if I believe that Medicare for All is a much superior solution to nationalized Romneycare, but recognize that his general method of consensus building meant that to get a large thing done, he would have to start with a Republican idea and modify it to be useful. I wish we were entirely withdrawn from Afghanistan and Iraq.

    However, I approve of his (Keynesian) responses to the economic disaster that he inherited. Without it, the company I work for would be a corpse. I approve of his general foreign policy. I approve, and strongly, of the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. I approve, and strongly, of the choice to abandon the defense of DOMA. I approve of the subsidization of smart, green energy initiatives, even knowing that the grand majority of them will fail. There is absolutely no single larger issue in the next century than weaning our world from fossil fuels; this addresses our food, our water, our health, our security, our lifestyle. I approve of his support of reproductive freedom and choice. I approve of his support of the LGBT community; even if some of it was later in coming, and hope that it is real. I approve of raising certain taxes; though I believe that they can be better targeted. Our nation's government is in a serious income slump, rather than an expenditure spike; and the general shrinkage of the government in the form of police, firemen, teachers, over the last four years is harming our nation in general and my family in specific.

    I cannot approve of Mr. Johnson's economic policies. In this day and hour, they would be suicide for the nation. They betray a deep misunderstanding of the engine of the capitalist cycle, and are akin to transplanting a heart backwards; the veins of the body cannot bear to become the supply vessels, and the arteries cannot support the return of blood; in the same manner, a recession of demand cannot be met by adding capital, but must be met by adding demand. His foreign policy is also dangerously short sighted, and does not do a good job of looking out for our interests as a part of a greater community.

    Dr. Stein carries many good things too far, until they become bad things. For example, It is right to expect that those who profit in greater proportion from the nation, it's peoples, and its resources should return that investment in greater proportion; it is not right to impose an income cap. If the election cycle was looser, and voter intimidation was not so high in my home state, I might consider voting for her as a leftist protest vote, but that would have little effect on the actions of Mr. Obama.

    Wee Willy Romney, meanwhile, compounds Mr. Johnson's economic issues by being awful on social issues, awful on foreign policy and personally greedy to boot. He has stocked his personal treasury by destroying the jobs and eliminating the pensions of tens of thousands of Americans, by taking out massive loans and twisting corporate law to stick others with the bill. He has personally and directly increased the total private and public debt held in America by outsourcing production to Asia. He has already proven himself incapable of handling our allies, let alone our enemies, via his foreign tour, and has gathered about himself neoconservative advisors; even if there are other advisors, that he would even consider such disastrous policies again disqualifies him as presidential. His misgovernnance of Massachusettes proves that he is not capable of working with the Democratic party, nor capable of recognizing the return on infrastructure. He appears to see our societal safety nets and educational systems as opportunities for personal and corporate profit, rather than programs made with the intent of easing suffering, providing opportunity and fulfilling the social contract. He is dead wrong in terms of both freedom and humanity when it comes to LGBT issues, reproductive freedom, immigration, and equality of employment. He is awful for our nation, and Paul Ryan is worse.
     
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    Cdunn, maybe this will ease your feelings on green energy a little bit. Of the green companies recieving government money to assist with research, only 8% have failed (no, not the %50 cited in a debate by a fact free Romney). I am positive there will be further failures, as that is the nature of capitalism and new technology, but fortunately I do not think it will be a majority in the near future. So hopefully, those companies will help with the economy and finding solutions to our dependance upon fossil fuels.

    It looks like you have put a lot of thought into where your vote will go. I wish more people would do the same, no matter where that vote finally settled.
     
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    Your statement in red carries very good common sense in the realization of wasting your vote. Why so many people are choosing to not vote or waste a vote on a person that will change nothing when so much is at stake or at risk is totally beyond me?

    Your second statement in Blue is spot on in describing Romney and could not say it better with using much ###### what escapes me is beyond all this he is a serial liar who will say anything to anyone or group if he thinks it will gain him a vote he will not even admit to lying when it is put in print or video to his face if all else fails just don't answer or change the subject. Take away all the differences between Republican and Democrat and just go down to basics telling the truth and being trustworthy how can any rational person choose to vote for him? they are not rational they are voting for other reason's hate race greed nothing positive I can think of and many against thier own self best intererst? Romney cannot be trusted to do anything but hand over what is left of our government to the corporations and special interest.
     
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    An editorial on why obama needs to go...

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/benghazi-blunder-obama-unworthy-commander-in-chief-176736441.html

    As to saving pensions...not if you had one through Delphi...

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/23/business/la-fi-gm-bailout-review-20110623

    And yes, obama targeted the Delphi employee pensions...

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/22/p...ng-non-union-worker-pensions-post-gm-bailout/

    Obama is not a "nice," guy...

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Them-To-The-Wolves-In-Stunning-Abuse-Of-Power

     
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    As to economics and obama...and the keynesian delusion...

    http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2012/10/03/trickle_down_and_tax_cuts

     
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    Still voting for Obama?

    Yes!

    I belong to the 47%. I can't vote for the one who doesn't care about my interest.
     
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    No way in hell I am voting for Osama.

    I would rather take my chances on someone else no matter who they were.

    4 more years of Osama and we will be completely socialist country. we will have the government telling us what we can eat and how to live. not to mention 75% of people depending on the government for everything while the remaining 25% try to support thier worthless A$$es.

    you want to see an Osama America after 4 more years? take a good look at what he did to chicago.... nice job O.
     
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    There is no Osama on the Ballot; so, no worries. :)
     
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    aye, Osama is dead, so there really is nothing to worrry about.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
     
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    so given your little "Obama/Osama" issue, are you one of those people who think Obama is a secret Muslim, and not an American Citizen?
     
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    I don't hate Romny. I don't think he is a bad person, and definitely not a "nice" guy. You are known by the company you keep, and he has kept company with the top 1% rich guys of the worst sort, but I think that is mainly because he was raised by anti-liberal types from the time he was a little boy. It wasn't his fault really, but that doesn't change the fact that he needs to be kept out of the whitehouse with all cost.
     
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    Yup. The problems here are partially Bush's doing and partially a global problem no one country could've stopped from happening.
     
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    People don't seem to understand. Bush didn't just kill our economy. He "set the ball in motion" for the whole world. No republican could of pulled us out of this mess.

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    And yet somehow that's not bad enough to cost him our votes.

    I want you on the Jury for my Murder Trial. Seriously. People SCREAMED for Zimmerman's head, but wanna give Obama a Job.

    What the heck is wrong with you people? That could be your wife, kid, brother, father, getting assassinated. After all, we do now, thanks to this man, live in a "combat zone" any one of us could be labeled an "Enemy Combatant" and killed or imprisoned indefinitely. Oh no of course not, "It could never happen to me. I'm a good law abiding citizen."
     
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    Actually, Carter and Clinton set that ball in motion, and Barney frank and chris dodd protected that ball and kept people, like Bush, from stopping it.

    http://cnsnews.com/node/43799

    Yes, once again, look close enough and you will see democrat fingerprints on another major problem...which they then blame on republicans...
     
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    An interesting insight from an article posted elsewhere...

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...-Fundraiser-City-Hall-and-ABC-News-in-Chicago

    Four years of obama hasn't helped much, has it?
     
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    Bill didn't your friend Newt support FannyMae and also made about $500,000 in consulting fees as a historian in his words not paid lobbyist to the hill promoting FannyMae?
     
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    Who you vote for is entirely up to you but I have to say that voting for Obama will not lead you to being a socialist country, Obama is not even a little bit socialist by any reckoning. You could end up with a totalitarian state or a dictatorship but you won't end up socialist by voting for any of your current candidates.
     
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    No, $500,000 was what he dropped at Tiffany's on a shopping spree. He earned $1,600,000 promoting Fannie Mae on the hill.123
     

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