Smaller MMA vs larger kung fu.

[drop bear]

Let's look at this from a non biased non fanboy point of view.

The Mma fighter is not just a local club fighter who trains twice a week. It's nam Phan a very experienced Mma fighter who's fought in the UFC, WEC, Bellator and ONE FCand was a competitor on the ultimate fighter. So the guy did well lasting as long as he did with such an experienced practitioner

Second this thread is obviously the OP trying to tell us how awesome and cool and amazing Mma is and how stupid, terrible and rubbish traditional styles are but nam Phan is a black belt in karate and has a background in taekwondo so he's got experience in traditional styles as well.

Honestly these kind of threads are embarasingly childish and its laughable that this nonsense is still going on.

I suppose I could start threads about my inability to function in my personal life.

But I don't really have that problem.

 

[skribs]

I suppose I could start threads about my inability to function in my personal life.

But I don't really have that problem.

That has nothing to do with what @Headhunter said.

 

[drop bear]

That has nothing to do with what @Headhunter said.

You mean the guy who just posted a cry about me that had nothing to do with what I said.

That guy?

You should really try to walk your own standard.

 

[skribs]

You mean the guy who just posted a cry about me that had nothing to do with what I said.

That guy?

You should really try to walk your own standard.

His post was directly about your own thread. It's very clear the reasons why you posted it, especially in light of the recent arguments you've been in and other posts you've made.

You just can't handle being called out the way you like to call everyone else out. You're not really making a good case against the assertion that you're being childish.

What I've said remains on topic. I am meeting that very simple standard. The fact you're accusing me of not is another baseless accusation on your part.

 

[Headhunter]

I suppose I could start threads about my inability to function in my personal life.

But I don't really have that problem.

Nah you just keep posting about how great Mma is and how rubbish everything else is

 

[Headhunter]

His post was directly about your own thread. It's very clear the reasons why you posted it, especially in light of the recent arguments you've been in and other posts you've made.

You just can't handle being called out the way you like to call everyone else out. You're not really making a good case against the assertion that you're being childish.

What I've said remains on topic. I am meeting that very simple standard. The fact you're accusing me of not is another baseless accusation on your part.

Well if we're talking childish his defence for how bjj was better than karate his argument was they wear cooler gis....still makes me laugh

 

[jobo]

That there is a consistent approach to dealing with bigger guys using striking.

what wait till they wear themselves out punching you in the head, il pass on that one

 

[drop bear]

what wait till they wear themselves out punching you in the head, il pass on that one

Do you have a better method. Can you show it working consistently?

 

[drop bear]

His post was directly about your own thread. It's very clear the reasons why you posted it, especially in light of the recent arguments you've been in and other posts you've made.

You just can't handle being called out the way you like to call everyone else out. You're not really making a good case against the assertion that you're being childish.

What I've said remains on topic. I am meeting that very simple standard. The fact you're accusing me of not is another baseless accusation on your part.

No. If I was running to a theme I would have posted about LARP.

 

[skribs]

No. If I was running to a theme I would have posted about LARP.

Where did I even say "running to a theme" or anything like that? You're ranting so hard you can't even see the posts straight.

 

[jobo]

Do you have a better method. Can you show it working consistently?

, you haven't shown your method works consistently,, twice isnt consistent and only one of those were shown to ''work''

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Well if we're talking childish his defence for how bjj was better than karate his argument was they wear cooler gis....still makes me laugh

If you count his tie-dye gi, he's absolutely, 100% correct. That thing was fabulous.

 

[drop bear]

Nah you just keep posting about how great Mma is and how rubbish everything else is

We are comparing full time gyms with multiple specialist coaches that have proven world class records.

Vs schools that demand complete dedication by making its studens train both classes a week.

I assume saying mma is better is the equivalent of saying water is wet.

And by the way if someone turned around and said tiger muay thai was better than my gym.

It just is. Sorry I can't get butt hurt over that. It is just better.

 

[drop bear]

, you haven't shown your method works consistently,, twice isnt consistent and only one of those were shown to ''work''

Three times. Which is three more than you.

 

[drop bear]

Where did I even say "running to a theme" or anything like that? You're ranting so hard you can't even see the posts straight.

No.... I said it.

I have a pretty consistent theme. Which you have completely missed by the way.

 

[Headhunter]

We are comparing full time gyms with multiple specialist coaches that have proven world class records.

Vs schools that demand complete dedication by making its studens train both classes a week.

I assume saying mma is better is the equivalent of saying water is wet.

And by the way if someone turned around and said tiger muay thai was better than my gym.

It just is. Sorry I can't get butt hurt over that. It is just better.

Ok fanboy

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

I suppose I could start threads about my inability to function in my personal life.

But I don't really have that problem.

I really don't care whether what you do is effective. Or care about how you function in your personal life. Or your arguments with headhunter/skribs/gpseymour.

But I do want to mention that we're not all at the level of a pro-MMA fighter. And in someone's first fight, they're most likely gonna get wiped out before the second round. That's whether they're training is MMA, muay thai, TKD, kickboxing, or whatever. Your first fight, you don't know how to moderate yourself, and it screws you. The second time around is very different.

 

[Tez3]

I really don't care whether what you do is effective. Or care about how you function in your personal life. Or your arguments with headhunter/skribs/gpseymour.

But I do want to mention that we're not all at the level of a pro-MMA fighter. And in someone's first fight, they're most likely gonna get wiped out before the second round. That's whether they're training is MMA, muay thai, TKD, kickboxing, or whatever. Your first fight, you don't know how to moderate yourself, and it screws you. The second time around is very different.

I've seen quite a few very good...now... pro MMA fighters first fights in amateur bouts as well as their pro debuts and this is totally true.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

We are comparing full time gyms with multiple specialist coaches that have proven world class records.

Vs schools that demand complete dedication by making its studens train both classes a week.

I assume saying mma is better is the equivalent of saying water is wet.

And by the way if someone turned around and said tiger muay thai was better than my gym.

It just is. Sorry I can't get butt hurt over that. It is just better.

Some of what you're talking about is actually selection bias, but you have ignored that point when it was brought up in the past, or put it on the instructor to somehow change folks' priorities by challenging them more.

If someone comes to me to train on Saturday mornings (the only day I currently teach), that's probably not a person who is going to show up at an MMA gym several days a week. People choose programs that fit their priorities and level of commitment. At one time, I trained 6 days a week, because classes were available 6 days a week. I participated in literally every adult class offered where I was training. Others showed up twice a week (the default recommendation). It's not a mystery who had better development in that period.

Could I have learned faster and more in an MMA setting, with more people who trained at my intensity? Probably. I probably would also have learned faster and more in an NGA setting with similar characteristics. But most folks training NGA are more casual about it (the result of the selection bias), so there's not an NGA setting I'm aware of, even when it's taught by an instructor who is an experienced (Golden Gloves) boxer, has rank in Judo, and spent time walking a beat in New York City - which my first NGA instructor was.

And I chose that environment, because it fit what I wanted. If I were choosing today, as a beginner, I might choose an MMA gym, because my mindset is different from what it was at 18 (when I started NGA) and 29 (when I was training 6 days a week). But it'd have to be an MMA gym that looked at more than just the direct fighting skills, more than just preparing for MMA matches.

 

[jobo]

Three times. Which is three more than you.

but you said '' consistently'' how many data points do you need to show something is consistent ? somewhat more than three, and you also need to LOOK for all the times it wasnt consistent, making special note that finding even one of these means its no longer consistent

showing a big boxer having a hard time against a smaller boxer doesn't support your theory at all any more than say showing a big karate man beating up a smaller karate man supports mine