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Well I am not wrong. Jerking and twisting is not neccesarily the same thing.
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Well I am not wrong. Jerking and twisting is not neccesarily the same thing.
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No. In the sitting stance, the mechanics for SW is down - up - down.
dvcochran
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How many posts have you made talking about this? Yea, everyone would say you are nit picking.
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First one
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I will reference this once again.
If General Choi wanted twisting of any kind when punching, he wouldn't use the term body, when saying: don't twist your body. He would instead say don't twist your shoulders or whatever it is he is objecting to
If General Choi wanted twisting of any kind when punching, he wouldn't use the term body, when saying: don't twist your body. He would instead say don't twist your shoulders or whatever it is he is objecting to
dvcochran
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Now you are just crossing some weird semantics line. Who are you or I so speak for the General? More so to try and change what he is saying?
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Body means everything. I assume he knows the meaning of the words. He did have an undergraduate degree in English
I'd only use the term "straight shooter" where the person appears to be speaking truth others wouldn't. You seem to be trying to present your arguments as reasoned, by ignoring anything that might conflict and reorting to insults to deflect. Not much straight about that shooting.
Quoting others is a good practice, where it lets folks go back and look at other sources or otherwise facilitates comprehension. There's nothing especially useful in a brand new phrase, where an existing one already does that job.My point is that Choi's "Theory of power" was quoting and paraphrasing someone elses formulas and theories. This seems to be a pattern in his line of work, if you know what I'm saying
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Does it look to you from the clip I just referenced that General Choi wanted twisting of the hip for punches? Does it look to you that he wants it when he demonstrates his concept himself?
What I find interesting is that I have no idea what the heck sine wave is in this context, but even I can see that the term "don't twist your body" could have several meanings in this context. It's not as black-and-white as you make out.
I'd have to look at a larger body of his teaching, and hear what he taught from folks who learned from him. Thus far, the only person I know of with the latter experience has stated quite clearly that Gen. Choi taught hip twist for as long as he was teaching.
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If he meant shoulders, he would have said shoulders. He knows the word for shoulders in english.
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Which could be a sign of dementia. A condition characterized by confusion, conflictedness and ambiguity. Or they misunderstood the context he was talking about.
Or somebody else was running the show behind the scenes in opposition to Choi and removed hip twist from the punching principles of his own encyclopedia
I would bet on explanation two followed by the first one. The last one extremely far fetched
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You tell me whether this is evidence of dementia or not:
Choi described the olympic TKD style as a bunch of imposters in one interview, then in another one how happy he was to see TKD in the olympics and that belts should transfer up until 4th dan.
Choi said in one lecture that you should not retract your hand after punching . "that's karate!"
Then in his own book advocating retracting the hand after punching in the encyclopedia as one of the basic principles of punching (1987).
Choi described the olympic TKD style as a bunch of imposters in one interview, then in another one how happy he was to see TKD in the olympics and that belts should transfer up until 4th dan.
Choi said in one lecture that you should not retract your hand after punching . "that's karate!"
Then in his own book advocating retracting the hand after punching in the encyclopedia as one of the basic principles of punching (1987).
Nope. I've seen statements that had a similar appearance of contradiction from folks who were clearly not suffering from dementia. Sometimes context clears it up, sometimes folks change their minds, and sometimes they're just not good at communicating a given idea.
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I don't consider it conclusive, but I don't believe for a moment that he was a phony. He caused himself a lot of problems standing up for things he believed in. So I fully believe Choi believed the things he said, at the time he said them. Taken collectively however, he does give the impression of either being a confused and conflicted elderly person, or someone suffering from massive mood swings and shifting opinions.
The fact that he could remember events and dates long ago is not in anyway incompatible with being senile, as Weiss suggested.
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I might add that while I respect the Olympic branch of TKD, I consider it a betrayal to loyal ITFers for Choi to embrace the Kukkiwon after decades of bashing them.
Indeed, part of the reason I hate his 180 degree turn is due to the treatment he and his federation were subjected to, by both kicking him out and banning ITF schools in South Korea, and rewriting and erasing history
Indeed, part of the reason I hate his 180 degree turn is due to the treatment he and his federation were subjected to, by both kicking him out and banning ITF schools in South Korea, and rewriting and erasing history
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Sir, see volume Volume II under "Mass" in my first edition but you can also look at Vol 3 you linked to. Now you want to differentiate "jerk" and "twist" but Volume II uses the term "Twist" I don't know what site you have linked to for the edition you are using.
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