kubotan dual

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  1. Buka

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    Judged by 12 to be carried by 6 when the sentence is death. Worth noting capital punishment is still around in some countries.

    Serious response: the blunted Kubatons, i think look a little less weaponry so you MIGHT be able to get away with them as a key fob or something. If you want a stabbing improv weapon i would suggest a pen or something though. i would place them as the better than nothing criteria if you need a weapon.

    You might just be better off carrying a flashlight, its like a kubaton in hitting, but you can blind people with it and also use it to see at night and its not a weapon so many people wont take it off you/overlook it. Pending design anyway.
     
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    Attach keys to lanyard and voila....keychain

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    I always get a laugh when someone has a family friend who happens to be an attorney "do them a favor." They don't know the rules, they don't know the regular deals... Usually, the prosecutors take pity on them... before they send their client up th river.
     
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    It's a complicated question. But I'm not aware of any jurisdiction that requires martial artists to register, or automatically assumes their hands are "deadly weapons."

    Attorneys are great sources for legal advice. But it has to be in the scope of their practice, because most have -- at best! -- a single class on criminal law in law school. There's a difference between a finish carpenter and a rough carpenter and a cabinetmaker... even though they all use similar tools to shape wood. Same thing with attorneys; a patent lawyer is not a criminal lawyer...
     
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    You are 100% correct this is not the appropriate forum to get legal advise from. Hmm, going to a MA forum for legal advise. Do you go to a dance forum for you medical advise?
     
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    Maybe not dangerous as far as long lasting effects are concerned.
    Have you been sprayed with pepper spray yet? If not, you need to try it before making such a ludicrous statement.
     
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    Yeah, you should talk to an attorney. One who is not related to a martial artist, and who practices criminal law. What the officer told you sounds like he was humoring your question. I've talked to a number of LEO and attorneys from different places, and have yet to find one (though one might well exist) where martial arts training classified empty-hand as a weapon, legally. It could be considered a factor in what charge is brought, but absent a weapon, there's no weapons charge in any location I'm aware of.

    Back to the question of the kubotan. I have some training with one, and could make some use of it. I'm not sure it's worth it, unless you can carry it in a quick-draw sheath. The value is transitory (some things are better empty-handed), but it can reinforce some locks and pins, and can serve to harden a punch (though I'm not convinced this is good for the puncher). Unless you're well trained in its use, the kubotan is just a stick that gets in the way. Adding another to the end just means there's even more stuff in the way.
     
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    Only if you know how to use it well. For most folks who carry a kubotan, it will actually be worse than not having it - it's a fairly technical little weapon that doesn't add much advantage to untrained users.
     
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    In almost every situation, there's something lying about that's a better weapon than a kubotan.
     
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    Some handy mace attached to your key chain seems ideal.
     
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    Perhaps a mace and a can of mace, attached by a lanyard?
     
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    Ok. This is a cute little tactical torch that I picked up the other day. It has little cookie cutters on the front so if I hammer fist someone in the face with it I am sure it will hurt. (Issues there if I don't want someone running to the cops with no face. )

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    This is as much of a dark alley as I could be bothered with.
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    And this is the real self defense value of my little torch. I can see a bad guy from a hundred meters and run away.
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    Shotgun tazer.
     
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    For the win.
     
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    The "tactical" flashlights (how did "flashlight" become a word for something that is, really, an electric replacement for a torch???) has changed the market so much, it's hard to find a usable small light that doesn't have the "cookie cutter" at the tip. Personally, I prefer not to have them, so the danged thing is less likely to be viewed as an intentional weapon. As you said, the light is the really important function.
     
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    I would rubberized it so it doesn't leave marks.
     
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    The 'tactical' torches are a bit of a grey legal area here, so there are plenty on the market with a plain rounded lip over the lens (really just enough to protect the glass if dropped).

    Try searching for something like "18650 rechargeable" or simply "LED" torch - and use the word torch instead of flashlight - and you're more likely to get hits for units designed for the UK market ;)
     
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    Good idea - I'll give that a shot!
     
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    The only real issue presented in torch territory i have been made aware of, if it has those bevels on the end. Someone might look at them and go "nope" and take it off you if you are going somewhere they do weapons checks or something. Hell sticking a mag light in your car to hit people with is a good idea, you have a legal defence for carrying it and it makes a handy club.

    Your probably only going to get into dangerous weapon territory and not deadly though as its not designed to maim. :p (pending how it works in your area of course)123
     

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