Human Weapon : Ninjutsu Episode featuring Budo Taijutsu!

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Brian R. VanCise, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. Omar B

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    I know about the copyright issues, but there are many whole episodes of Human Weapon already up on Google Video and Youtube. The show is usually broken up into 9 minute segments (from one commercial break to the next) so you end up watching like 4 segments to watch a whole episode.

    Or sometimes the whole thing is posted as one huge file, like this one:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=191&start=0&num=50&so=0&type=search&plindex=
     
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    "Bruce lost a very close match against Bill", see that's the thing.there's no way he should've lost.Take Bill's 10 days against Bruces 15 years ? Maybe it's time to entertain the idea that there are no such things as masters anymore, learn a few good moves, and it's anybodys game.
     
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  3. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise MT Moderator Staff Member

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    Well I think a very important thing to remember is that people are people and in general have two arms, two legs and a brain. In the moment anything goes and many people with little to no training have been successful in defending themselves. (sometimes against people with more skill and attributes and a viscious mindset) Would someone who is well trained have an advantage yes, provided they have the attributes and mind set to implement their training. Is their any one person in the world who is invincible? Well no, anyone can have a bad moment in time! [​IMG] (some more than others) Sometimes people make to much out of someones rank or time spent studying. I am a realist and athletically and attribute wise Bill and Jason have simply more. (they are professional athletes after all) Still Bruce was close (plus had the first kill shot) and Doug overall took care of Jason. [​IMG]

    I also think it is unfair if people are not counting Bill's athletic career in Pro Football, Collegiate Football, Wrestling and that he is currently traveling the world and training like crazy. These things do matter. [​IMG]
     
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    Have you seen this footage? where did you find it? It would be cool to get to see some footage of Bill where he isn't talking about his "superior strength" and this may be our only shot!
     
  5. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise MT Moderator Staff Member

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    Go to Youtube type in: Human Weapon Bill Duff Tae Kwon Do Ko'ed and it should come up. We cannot post the clip here due to competing forum rules. Still it is a good clip.
     
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    That didn't work for me but searching for just Human Weapon Bill Duff Tae Kwon Do did! (See here at a MT sister forum.) I wrote there: It's a little after 5 minutes in. I'm not sure it's a KO as per the title but it's surely a good solid knockdown.

    The TKDer keeps his hands held low rather than up protecting his head. That's often used as a criticism of it...but despite a serious reach disadvantage, he surely scored here!
     
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    Wo did he take a shot and he was out on the ground a long time.
    I feel bad for laughing but damn...lol
     
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    ROFLMAO......your kidding right ?
     
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    To me, it doesn't say much for the arts that they are displaying if some big former football player with a week or so in an art is smacking folks around.
    As for the MMA-er, go hand to hand & grapple with him if you want, but to me, more often than not these final matches show a bit of favoritism, if not being staged outright.

    Having two guys like this show so well against tremendously experienced martial artists makes the arts being examined look crap. I've seen Doug cut loose a bit, & I know that he could have really schooled this MMA-er when it comes to weapons. I know it's good to be nice, but the end looked crap to me. Bruce is fast as hell, Bill should have been black and blue from the elbows down.
     
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    Not if they kept the guys paired up the way they did. Let Nagato-sensei play with Bill, & set Sean Askew loose on Jason. THAT would have been a good show.
     
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    Jason and Bill have done pretty well in past matchs for a couple of reasons .... first, these guys are accomplished fighters. And as indicated previously in this post, they are also very good athletes. For the most part they also were not facing extremely (with a few exceptions .... judo being one) experienced competitors. The kid Bill fought in the sambo episode looked like he was still in high school!

    I don't have a lot of weapons training but my initial impression is that sword work is a very technical discipline --- one that takes years to master. The fact that Jason and Bill did so well against 13th and 15th dans who presumably have trained with swords for more than a week was frankly, shocking.

    I could have understood those kind of results if a taijutsu competition had been arranged because the "Human Weapons" do have years of hand to hand training. But the BBT guys should have mopped the floor in a weapons contest.

    Disappointing.
     
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    I agree. Knowing what I know about the BBT folks involved, it makes it all the more confusing. Athletics doesn't help you much in technical arts such as weapons, only after you have the requisite skills, then the endurance and speed come into the contest.
     
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    If it had been for real, life on the line stuff. Both Bill and Jason would be pushing up daisies! They both would have had fatal wounds the first round of the first match. Of course if you let them keep coming back enough times, your chances of coming out unscathed becomes much higher.

    After looking at the video again where I could pause it and step through the part where Jason and Doug were H2H, Jason lost control of Doug the moment he reached for the sword and Doug began to roll out and it appears to me as though the sword actually missed Doug.
     
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    HAHAHA Yes! I am sure that would have been very entertaining! [​IMG]
     
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    A lot of the complaining seems to be whining that when you take an amazing paramedic ambulance driver and put him in a stock car against a NASCAR racer he might lose.


    Uh, yeah...so...

    Whole lotta mistaking the map for the territory.
     
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    That was actually the first time I got the chance to watch the show. At first I was thinking the same thing that these guys did REALLY well against the rank of people that they were fighting, but then I thought of two things

    1) Both of the Bujuinkan guys "scored" the first points and would have obviously walked away in a real confrontation.

    2) I remember from reading about fencing that it isn't the second best swordsman the best fears it's the absolute beginner because they have no clue how to use the weapon and you're not sure what they are even going to try and do.
     
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    Actually, I thought neither Jason or Bill did well. Initial fatal slices were not delivered by either one of them. In battle that is all that counts.

    Bill and Jason's scores remind me of an old saying, "Even a blind chicken finds a kernel of corn now and then!" That is the thing about matches.
     
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    I agree. Seems like alot of attention is focused on one minor thing, rather than keeping an open mind and looking at the big picture.

    I noticed that too. Personally, I thought Doug recovered nicely.
     
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    I really liked the rolls... I'm serious, I watched that part over and over again.
     
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    Really?
    Do you really want to watch the aftermath, and work damage control when Nagato is beaten ?
    Seriously?
    You dont think its possible?

    Sean Askew may be good as far as bujinkan fighters go...but I still dont think he would have lasted very long H2H with Jason Chambers. I could be wrong.

    Something that hopefully is starting to dawn on people is that the art is not uber invincible bad *** combat. It is what it is.
    The higher you prop people and things up artificially, the higher they fall.123
     
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