falseness in training

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  1. JR 137

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    At about :26 in does the teacher say “Come on, you’re being kind” or “...you’re being timed.” I laughed quite a bit when I first heard it. Then I went back looking for it to quote it and I’m thinking maybe she said timed instead of kind now.

    Being kind? I guess no one paid attention and went harder. Or maybe they did :) Great theatrical performance though. And they’re getting some exercise and good old bonding in, so they’ve got that going for them, which is nice.
     
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    I like the premise but that is just sad, unrealistic, and in great danger of false pretense. The smiling and laughing might be ok in moderation but, wow.
     
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    That's reasonable. I'd expect someone teaching with a self-defense purpose to be focused on effective fighting technique. There will be areas outside of ring application they'll often get into that can't be evidence-based (no controlled arena to test them in), but there should be a foundation of technique and approach that's based on what we can test.

    But to back up a bit to my previous post (replying to your previous post), the whole diet shake thing got me thinking. The training for fun in MA is like drinking a shake. Doesn't matter if it's diet or not, if you're enjoying it and that enjoyment is your purpose. But if you're drinking a shake for weight loss reasons, that shake should somehow help with weight loss. Same would go if you're drinking that shake to help with muscle gain, etc. If there's a stated purpose, something involved should aid with that stated purpose.
     
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    Looks like sloppy testing to me (probably of sloppy training, but I haven't seen their training). I don't know about immoral, but there's nothing there I like from a SD perspective. If they took the SD out of the title, and said it was for fun and fitness, I'd still think it's sloppy, but would just shrug at it.
     
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    I thought it was "kind", too. I expected someone to throw a significant punch or tackle or something after that.
     
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    Yeah, this is the kind of thing that leads people to think they're becoming invincible. Nobody (the defenders) was losing, regardless of the situation.
     
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    Depends. If they're doing a parody or F-ing around, then fun. If they think even slightly that they're learning to defend themself, I would consider that immoral.
     
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    Yeah. So the act of drinking a diet shake comes with the implication of some sort of weight loss.

    Unlike martial arts?
     
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    Smiling and laughing is fine. I smile and laugh. But I will also sit on you until you get me off.
     
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    I like to smile when I get hit pretty hard. Usually laugh too.
     
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    Again, it comes down to purpose. If someone is teaching MA for fun, and people are learning it for fun, there's no reason that is a diet shake. Sounds like a milk shake, to me. And as long as nobody is being told it's diet, there's no reason it should be.
     
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    Somewhere in the argument I hear unintended consequences. In this case, good ones such as losing weight or learning a skill.
     
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    A milk shake is a diet shake. Just more fun.

    I mean it think it depends on the individual when it comes to weight loss not the shake.
     
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    Like the song says, "make your milk shake".
     
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    It does bring all the boys to the yard.

    The thing is there needs to be diet shakes that cater to those people who still want to consume high levels of sugar and fat.

    We really can't judge these people as they are providing a service that the fitness industry tends to overlook.
     
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    Interesting. What do you see as unintended within the discussion?
     
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    I think we're wandering farther and farther afield.

    Anyway, I think you're making a good point. It just doesn't apply where the purpose is different.
     
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    you use the term "should" and "shouldn't " a lot for a guy who has problems with using should as a blanket statement.
     
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    Like I said in the same post, ones such as losing weight or learning a skill.
     
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    Do I? I'll have to watch for that and see if I'm not communicating what I mean. Thanks.123
     
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