Can hard work make up for lack of talent?

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  1. Danny T

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    The term talent refers to an inborn and the special ability of a person to do something without having to learn it (in our case here; fighting).
    A skill is an expertise, which is acquired by the person by learning.
    Talent
    is a nature gifted ability, whereas Skill is an ability in which you put your time and efforts to learn and develop.
    Having the Capability to gain a Skill (in our case here; fighting) is not the same as having Talent .
    I feel for you and your seeming lack of talent and skill to understand or maybe is more you just don't want to understand.
    I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
     
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    Yes, hard (but also smart) work works. I was also rubbish when started and perhaps feeling the same as you. My progression was slower than everyone else that started at roughly the same time as me. But after years training I was the most senior in the club and quite effective. On the other hand, not everyone can become world champion...

    Eventually, I stopped and after years without training, I was still able to get bored at sparring senior people in a few clubs I visited. Training still working without training!

    8 months is nothing. Look back after 8 years training. I would also select 1 or 2 out of the 3. I would be surprised if you can train seriously 3 things in the long run.
     
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    Yes, sure. But first, are you talking about MMA sparring, kick boxing sparring or Karate sparring?
     
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    MA involves

    - skill development, and
    - ability development.

    Your talent may help your faster skill development. But your talent won't help your ability development.
     
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    no that's not the definition of talent, there are NOT many TALENTED musicians, that never had a " lession " to learn to play. I
    even if it was a lession in a book
     
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    8 months is nothing. It sounds like you are progressing normally to me. Keep at it!
     
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    Didn't you say talent can't be instilled? What do the lessons do?
     
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    Cambridge Dictionary
    Talent: having a natural ability to be good at something especially without being taught.

    Vocabulary.Com
    Talent: natural abilities or qualities; a person who possess unusual innate ability in some field or activity. (innate: ability that is already present in a person or animal when they are born)

    Oxford Dictionary
    Talent: A natural aptitude or ability one is born with.

    Collins Dictionary
    Talent: The natural or innate ability to do something. A natural endowment to be able to do something.
    Synonym note under talent in the Collins Dictionary:
    Talent implies an apparent innate ability for a specific pursuit; a gift; a special ability bestowed upon one, as by nature, and not acquired through effort.

    Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Talent: the natural endowments of a person
    (endowment: power or ability given by nature)
     
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    Unsubstantiated rumor has it that in early Apr 17, he had at least one, and maybe two threads he entered without causing arguments. (I wish I could confirm that.)

    Anyway, we who have watched, have seen him work harder and harder all the time and eventually overcome his lack of talent. :D:p



    Sorry Jobo, I just couldn't resist given the OP's question and the gist of the answers.


    @Sarah Mc, I think @Bill Mattocks has a better word, perseverance. I studied TKD briefly a lot of years ago. I found I hit a lot of plateaus and got discouraged. I kept at it and all of a sudden I would realize I had progressed a lot without realizing it.

    When later in life I began studying Hapkido, I never felt so uncoordinated in my whole life. As time went by, I learned how to make things work. Perseverance kept me going and I learned nuances of grip and or foot placement to make things work as expected.

    I expect you will learn as well. I do agree with those who have questioned taking 3 different arts as a beginner in each. I don't doubt you can make it work, but wonder if you will learn as quickly as you could taking only one, or at most two. I am inclined to think learning just one to a certain level of competence would be a better idea before branching to another art. But ultimately it is your life to do with as seems best to you.
     
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    @DocWard
    Out of curiosity, why disagree with this post?
     
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    Apparently because I goofed. I meant to agree! My apologies, I fixed it.
     
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    You hit on something i generally forgwt. We all know we're in our plateaus while we're in them. But we dont tend to realize when we leave them, unless someone else points it out, or something significant happens to shove our progress in our faces. So we spend time thinking about the frustrating part, and forget to congratulate ourselves for the rewarding part.

    Its similar IMO to pain from an injury. When the pains tbere, you're very aware of it. But when it goes away, or lessens, you kind of forget about it until someone asks you how your injury is doing, or you do something that would normally hurt a lot more if it was still injured (walking without a cast for instance).
     
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    Sure, that's 5 dictionaries with common definitions...but can you find a 6th source? :p
     
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    I'll just warn you, we don't forget that stuff. I still give @Mark Lynn hell about doing that on one of my posts...oh, 3 years ago I think it was. (Yeah, Mark, I'm still lookin' at you. :watching:)
     
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    So true. This makes those "lightbulb moments" (Richard Bowe's term for them - often used to remind you "not all the lights are on" :D) when you suddenly "get" a technique, and realize it works for you when you used to struggle with it, so enjoyable. Most of the time we don't get that sudden moment, we just progress out of a plateau and don't see the progress because it's a small change day over day.

    Now quit talking about legs and casts so I can stop wishing I could run right now, damnit!
     
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    I said I'm sorry!!!
     
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    You'll never be sorry enough, Doc. Never. :p
     
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    Yes, I learn all of them from the same sensei. He makes sure to show how they can all work together. I spend the least time on MMA & about equal time on kickboxing & karate. I really enjoy both of them & would prefer to focus there, absolutely.
     
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    Primarily kickboxing sparring. Karate comes much more easily to me than kickboxing somehow.
     
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    Man is that ever me. I think the majority of my struggle is from being held back from the idea that I'm lacking something the others have. Then when I do make progress, I miss it, or think it's not enough.123
     
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