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Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Talk' started by MartialIntent, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. green meanie

    green meanie Master Black Belt

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    A fair question. I'm 37. [​IMG]
     
  2. green meanie

    green meanie Master Black Belt

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    There's no such thing. Once a Marine, ALWAYS a Marine. :asian:
     
  3. 7starmantis

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    Care to eleborate?
     
  4. painstain

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  5. MartialIntent

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    I'm no art afficianado but I know a little and yeah it's a tired and lame old cliche, but I know what I like. I've been round most of the major galleries here in Britain and on the continent and if pushed I reckon I could make a half-decent attempt at spotting a real Van Gogh from a good counterfeit. I'm sure you all know, the real Van Gogh has passion in every stroke; it's reworked agonizingly to inspired perfection; one can almost feel the pain of the man as he deftly moved the oils around the canvas in an impassioned and desperate attempt to *give*; to produce and create a work that is a vehicle to spread a message; to provide and enrich our overall knowledge and appreciation of the subject. That is the *true* art and even if the counterfeit is an admirable copy, that's all it is, that's all it can ever be. There is no intent, there is no motive in it except that the "artist" is on the trail of the denaro. It's flat and there's no desire to give; to create.

    [oh, feel free to tune out anytime btw, hehe ;)]

    It's funny though, that kind of artistic discernment between the true artist and the counterfeit doesn't seem quite so difficult here in this thread. In fact, if you ask me, it's a no brainer here to discern the true artists from the frauds and the charlatans. Now take that how you will. Seek anguished offense if you like. Of course, if you have taken offense, well, there's an implication there too I guess ;). Honestly, you've got me a little apathetic to it at this stage, hehe.

    But one can spot the true artists in this particular type of discussion simply by their modus operandi. The *true* artist, whether they do it consciously or without aforethought, is seeking to create, and by creating, expands the knowledge both in themselves and in others. And it's apparent who here is doing that. And from these true artists [and there are a great many here on MT and yep, got some of you on this here thread also] and from these, I've picked up quite a bit myself and I can only assume others have also in terms of information and in terms of concepts and ideas that in turn spark other ideas. And that all adds to the enrichment of knowledge on this particular concept. Yeah, I'm selfish, you got me there - I doubt I'd have paid my few bucks if I wasn't actually learning anything that I could take away and make use of.

    So I'd just like to take this opportunity to honestly and sincerely thank you, the genuine, honest and true martial artists who have posted here on this thread, not gratuitously to inflate yourself but rather in the honest spirit that true martial artists display all the time.

    If that sounds a bit pretentious; a bit arty-farty; or you just don't understand what I'm talking about, well maybe you just gotta accept the fact then that I ain't talking to *you*. But for you there *is* hope in salvation! ;) There's hope you'll realize you ain't remotely in that category of either being, or aspiring to a be, a true martial artist, and maybe you'll think a little, heck come back revisit the initial post in this thread, maybe it'll make more sense to you and my intent won't pass you by so easily next time ;) Until that day, I recommend they set aside a little room for you all here in MT mansions; maybe toss in some street equipment: a few bottles, some blades, handgun, crossbow, shuriken, maglite, whatever, LOL. And you can be at liberty to go there anytime you like with each other and well... do whatever it is you people do, hehe :D

    Nah, that's all just idle banter. Lighten up :D ;)

    Respects to all true martial artists!
     
  6. Kensai

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    Lol... Who are we to judge who's a true MA'tist or not. Too many ego's, not enough balance. Still liked your posts though. :asian:
     
  7. MJS

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    I had a nice reply all typed out, but lost it all due to a glitch. Here goes again.

    I don't think that the thread is too far off course, although some posts have been rather 'interesting'

    Yes, there is a big difference, IMO, but some arts may not be seperating the differences.

    Agreed.

    IMO, that all comes down to how one gears their training. Anything has the potential to work, but how are we training it? Is our training partner really trying to hit us or are they stopping their attack just short enough so we really don't even have to move? Are they giving us some pressure on our neck, having their hands wrapped firmly around, or are they giving us a shoulder massage? IMO, we need to push ourselves a bit when we train.

    Through scenario drills, we can make our training feel real, while still having that element of safety. Now, I could use a real knife to see if my partern can defend himself, but ultimately, he may only get one shot at it. In the real world thats all he may get, but do I really want to stab my attacker? So, we use markers, no lie blades, etc. to show those 'cuts' and 'slashes' but we're not really killing them, so to speak. We need to put our partner in the proper mindset. If that means yelling, swearing at them, talking bad about a loved one, and getting right in their face, then thats what we need to do. We need to make them feel, mentally and physically, like we want to cause them harm.

    Those courses provide us with the tools to perform our job. They tell us how to best use those tools, but in the end, it all comes down to how we apply that skill. They're giving us a foundation that we need to build off of.

    Agreed.

    I think so life can still be found in this thread.:)

    Thank you for a very thought provoking discussion.:asian:

    Mike
     
  8. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    No matter what you train whether it be MA or Boot camp, or Law enforcement or anything else you can never be ready for all contingencies and there are unlimited possibilities in a real work situation. You can only be better trained than the man or women that has little or no training. And with that being said let me change my "no" to "maybe" since I see I did not take into account the word "adequately "

    But unless the other guy, in a training situation, coming at you is willing to take that extra step to actually try to do you serious bodily injury, no holds bared, you cannot mirror reality and that is certainly not practical and safe.

    At best you can train and be better prepared than the next guy.

    Also I had posted previously here, and admittedly at the wrong point in the post, MA training is more than learning how to fight, it is learning how and when not to as well. Ego be damned if I can run away and not hurt someone else or be hurt myself I will. Also I believe that training MA give a person a bit of an edge as to knowing about his or her surroundings and therefore being able to avoid a fight.

    If this gets me labeled a Charlatan because I do not jump with both feet into the abyss than so be it, I know my training I know my background and I know my experience in these situation and I have no need to prove that to anyone. Nor am I insulted by the inference I have been down this road before and I understand the tactic all to well.
     
  9. 7starmantis

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    I agree. Neither training nor "streetfighting" experience can make you ready for all contingencies. So that gap remains forever. We will allways be at a disadvantage to being attacked....and thus why its termed self defense. Your correct again about being better trained, and I'll even add to that in better shape. Conditioning is a huge part of fighting and I've seen guys with skill far beyond their opponent get ripped apart because the opponent was in better shape and was conditioned properly. Train hard, pray you will never use your training, and at the same time expect to use it on everyone....that about right? :)

    That is done more often than most people want to realize. One thing I want to also say is that too much emphasis is being placed on "intent" in these types of scenarios. My training partner may not have the intent to really kill me, but catching his full power/speed hook to the noggin will still knock me down/out. Whats the difference in that same scenario from some attacker on the street? Does the intent really change the dynamics of the situation? See, my training partern puts in hours a day to make his hook (in this scenario) faster, stronger, more powerful, more precise, and less defensible (thats a word now). I would rather, if I had to choose, take the punch from the guy on the street than him anyday. However I would really just not take either.....what I'm saying is that while intent may differ, training can cover these situations, these "intents" in a relatively safe manner. Can it get you ready to successfully take on any situation and defeat it in 30 seconds flat? Of course not, but it can get you ready to use your body and skill to protect yourself, in any situation. I guess we need to start being realistic in our discussion of "success". Going home alive is success in my book, not pulling off that nice looking combo and knocking the guy out.

    Completely Agree!!

    Again, good post, I always say ego is the numberr one killer off good training (and good kung fu for that matter).

    7sm
     
  10. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    Yes I believe we do.
     
  11. Kreth

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    Admin sep after 3 yrs, 7 months; due to a bad habit of telling people when they were being dumbasses, regardless of what they had on their collar... :lol: Just thought I should clarify, since others have been known to make military claims that are fraudulent.

    Back to the topic (sort of): Interesting that some of the biggest mouthpieces on this thread are very quiet suddenly...
     
  12. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    And I almost forgot

    Kreth

    I'm greater than 40 less than 50 never in the military per say but I am a Navy brat.

    XS
     
  13. Kreth

    Kreth Grandmaster

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  14. Hand Sword

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    First, yep, bad habit indeed. At least you got released. In the past, you would have been hanged or got the firing squad. [​IMG]

    Second, I didn't mean to sound annoying and be a big mouthpiece here. Sorry...[​IMG]
     
  15. ronin_warrior_j

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    Ive studied alot of martial arts and some are best left in the point sparring/ tournament format because thats what they were built for is sport. I would stack my 15 years of training in 18 different martial arts up against any bar fighter. I would prefer not to fight in such a situation because ive woken up in the drunk tank before in my younger years and its not fun. But if someone takes me to that magical place also know as "melt down" ill gladly push there face in.
     
  16. Kreth

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    I think if people note who hasn't posted in this thread since I asked my question about age, and compare that to who was making the most noise about the r34l str33t, they can draw their own conclusions (and it wasn't you, HS)...
    In my experience, the guys who are legit badasses don't make a lot of noise about it. They just do their thing when necessary.
     
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    Suddenly, the movie Stir Crazy comes to mind.

    "Yea, that's right! That's right! We bad!"
     
  18. Kreth

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    Pryor and Wilder at their absolute best! :lol:
     
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    Totally!!

    "You a short sombitch, ain'tcha?"
    "Yes, sir, I'm a short sombitch. My mother was short too. And my daddy was short and we couldn't even sing."

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  20. Jenna

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    Oh aye mister Kreth.. so its ME youre talking bout? Thats slander that is.. ..or is it libel? :idunno: Ahh but why am I asking you .. you.. you scurrilous scallywag stirring up troubleand shaking the wasp nests here..leave the critters ALONE they are harmless up under the eaves of this old desolate building here..

    but you have slandered my good name that is unforgiveable.. :whip:

    in Hong Kong.. you would be dead ;)..

    well.. we will see bout that.. bring trouble to the house of the Grandmaster of Pillows would you? Ha! your demise will be hasty my friend and no mistake! Summary justice you shall have.. but it will not be swift.. it will be protracted and painful.. live by the pillow.. die by the pillow.. :D


    JENNA NOTE: PLEASE KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS RESPECTFUL.. OTHERWISE I WILL BE ALL OVER ALL YALL LIKE AN UNDIAGNOSABLE RASH!
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