Am I using a dolyo chagi chamber for a yeop chagi here? (VIDEO)=

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  1. dvcochran

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    Not at all. He was demonstrating the kicks to teach the motions and mechanics throughout the kick. Slow speed kicks are actually Harder to do because you lose the advantage of momentum and dynamic balance. Also, there is no resistance so quite a lot changes. It takes more core and leg strength to do very slow kicks.
    You must also take into account the counter-affects of impact. The ball drill for example. Each consecutive kick was slightly different for the previous because he had to dynamically adjust for position. A great sparring drill since it simulates a moving target for power kicks.
    I agree with what andyjefferies said about the arm. That is a formal ITF thing that is done per style. Not wrong, not right so no judgement there. I imagine if you saw that gentleman sparring you would Not see that arm motion.
     
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    The arm out thing is not obligatory in ITF. There are patterns where the side kick is thrusted without it.
     
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    Yep. A the inverse is true as well.
     
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    If you simply turn your shoulder and lean into a right hand punch, you're pushing the punch. If you however twist your shoulder at the same time as you lean, you're snapping the punch. The difference between the turn and twist of the shoulder is acceleration. So it's like a twitch in the shoulder turn
     
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    That might be the most cogent thing you have posted on this forum.
     
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    Thanks. That made more sense to my brain.
     
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    Assuming your hips are open, delay the physical exertion of your leg action. In other words, don't explode as soon the foot moves because your momentum will have been spent before you've crashed though the shield. Increase speed in your leg about half a second before the foot makes contact. This way you are breaking through the shield and accelerating at the same time, and acceleration =power.
     
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    Moon Moo Has a skipping lead leg Side Pushing Kick .
     
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    He is using SW. Not as pronounced as some and in fact there was a comparison of the CD / DVDs produced under General Choi's supervision. and some later videos where it was shown the later videos had performers doing a more exaggerated version.
     
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    I have no idea what concept you are trying to convey by this. In any event you are still incorrect since there are lead leg Side Piercing, Thrusting and Pushing kicks in patterns from stances other than Bending ready stance A. Sam Il #s 18 & 23, Yoo Sin # 56, performed a s the second part of a consecutive Kick In Choi Yong, Moon Moo #40, 53 as part of a consecutive kick, So San #10, Tong Il #54.
     
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    Not sure I get your point. Are you saying stuff works in MMA that won't work in TKD because MMA Fighters are not as good at defending against kicks?
     
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    That sounds like you're talking about a side kick with the supporting leg moving. I've never learned anything like that.
     
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    Yes. They don't read kicks anywhere near as well.
     
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    That's the clip I quoted
     
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    It's a common enough thing in TKD. It might be a step or a skip to close the distance. Unless it's a jumping kick, the supporting leg will be planted by the time the kick contacts.

     
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    In NGA (the source of almost all my kicking knowledge), we only have one side kick - rear leg. I’ve been trying to develop the lead leg kick by using what I know from my other kicks, but so far it’s useful only if it never makes contact (they’ll find out it’s no threat, at all).
     
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    Yes and no. The default is "Side Piercing kick is done with high punch unless instructed otherwise. " So, for patterns, if nothing else is designated i.e. "Pulling Hands in Opposite direction" Forming Guarding Block" etc. then Side Piercing kicks (Non Jumping) are accompanied by a high punch.
     
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    We will agree to disagree vis a vis how well professional fighters read kicks vs TKD fighters.
     
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    There was somebody somewhere making the rationale that the reason you have the arm out is because the student is not yet proficient, wheras later on, the student can throw sidekicks and parry counters.
     
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    I have seen Chael Sonnen stand completely stationary when Machida moved his hips to hrow a mawashi geri, and did so. There was no disguise yet Chael just stood there. He did not see it coming at all.123
     

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