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[wckf9215]

yeah i think you are right. another thing it might be is toughening up the forearms? kind of like how Muay Thai and certain forms of Karate toughen up the shins maybe Wing Chun makes the forearms tougher

Not really. It may happen as a byproduct of the training, but it is not a forearm toughening tool.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Not really. It may happen as a byproduct of the training, but it is not a forearm toughening tool.

oh ok. well whatever it's for it looks cool

 

[Martial D]

Actually, it depends who you ask. Many sifus'(including my own) would name ''toughening up the forearms" as one of the benefits/intentions of wooden man work.

 

[Wingchunelf]

Hi, I though you may enjoy this interview with Grandmaster Felix Leong, student of Grandmaster Ip Chun. He talks about happiness, death, Ip Chun and kindness etc: https://youtu.be/ZptdNW2uIgc

 

[i_love_Wing_Chun]

Does anybody know how long is efficient to practice basic forms in Wing Chun like Siu Nim Tao?
I'm new to the art and currently searching for a good course although still practicing online tutorials the best I can. I am following free online tutorials from Tim Halloran at learnwingchunonline.com but he doesn't seem to be very clear about how frequently beginners should practice the lessons provided. If anyone could help answer this I would be very grateful.

 

[wckf9215]

Does anybody know how long is efficient to practice basic forms in Wing Chun like Siu Nim Tao?
I'm new to the art and currently searching for a good course although still practicing online tutorials the best I can. I am following free online tutorials from Tim Halloran at learnwingchunonline.com but he doesn't seem to be very clear about how frequently beginners should practice the lessons provided. If anyone could help answer this I would be very grateful.

SNT or SLT is to be practiced for the duration of your journey in Wing Chun. I've been training and studying for decades and still do the "basic" forms.

 

[Kung Fu Wang106]

Does anybody know how long is efficient to practice basic forms in Wing Chun like Siu Nim Tao?

CMA training is like going through grade school, high school, and college. Do you still read your grade school book when you are 80 years old?

I still remember my 1st English chapter was, "Book, This is a book. What do I do with a book?" Do I repeat that chapter even today? The answer is no. I prefer to repeat, "Crow weep in the dark. Tide bellow in the north wind. How lonesome the world." instead.

For example, a simple punch can be trained in 2 different ways.

1. Static punch - punch without moving your feet,
2. Dynamic punch - punch with footwork.

After you have trained dynamic punch, you may not want to spend too much time in static punch training. Old CMA saying said, "You may not find any opportunity to attack. As long as you keep moving, soon or later you will find your opportunity to attack".

 

[i_love_Wing_Chun]

SNT or SLT is to be practiced for the duration of your journey in Wing Chun. I've been training and studying for decades and still do the "basic" forms.

I mean as in practicing the basic forms like SNT or SLT for a certain number of days (or weeks/months depending on the speed at which you learn the techniques) until you have sufficient knowledge of forms as well as being able to do them fluently and with perfect execution.

To sum it all up I just want to know how long I should practice the basic forms (or really just any particular lesson) before moving on to the next one.

I have read different suggestions before of examples such as practicing a single lesson (specifically Master Wong's Wing Chun for Beginners:

) for 3 weeks before moving on to the next one.
I was 2 weeks into following that recommendation before wondering if 3 weeks was too long to practice one lesson before continuing.

 

[Xue Sheng99]

I mean as in practicing the basic forms like SNT or SLT for a certain number of days (or weeks/months depending on the speed at which you learn the techniques) until you have sufficient knowledge of forms as well as being able to do them fluently and with perfect execution.

To sum it all up I just want to know how long I should practice the basic forms (or really just any particular lesson) before moving on to the next one.

I have read different suggestions before of examples such as practicing a single lesson (specifically Master Wong's Wing Chun for Beginners:

) for 3 weeks before moving on to the next one.
I was 2 weeks into following that recommendation before wondering if 3 weeks was too long to practice one lesson before continuing.

There is no set time, it depends on the student. However @wckf92 will know more about Wing Chun than I do

 

[isshinryuronin]

To sum it all up I just want to know how long I should practice the basic forms (or really just any particular lesson) before moving on to the next one.

This question applies to any MA style or really, any skill at all. The simple definitive answer is below:

There is no set time, it depends on the student.

I think the general answer is when you can do the form with proper execution without having to think about it as you do it with good balance, enough power and speed that can be effective against an attacker and you feel comfortable performing it. On a scale of A, B, C, D, I'd say having gotten to B grade performance (based on your level) the next form can be started.

 

[isshinryuronin]

An anecdote my sensei told me long ago:

A new student asked his sensei how long it would take to become proficient.
The sensei replied, 4 years.

What if I try really hard? the student continued.
The sensei answered, 6 years.

Undeterred, the student pressed on, what if I'm totally serious and committed in my training?
The sensei said, 10 years

The moral of the story is that the higher expectation you have, the longer it takes. It's relative to how you view "proficient." How long can it take? Depending on how you see it, it can take a lifetime. The more you learn, you learn there's more to learn.

 

[Kung Fu Wang106]

An anecdote my sensei told me long ago:

A new student asked his sensei how long it would take to become proficient.
The sensei replied, 4 years.

What if I try really hard? the student continued.
The sensei answered, 6 years.

Undeterred, the student pressed on, what if I'm totally serious and committed in my training?
The sensei said, 10 years

The moral of the story is that the higher expectation you have, the longer it takes. It's relative to how you view "proficient." How long can it take? Depending on how you see it, it can take a lifetime. The more you learn, you learn there's more to learn.

When I was 11, my brother-in-law forced me to train "1 step 3 punches" for 3 years. Today I'm still doing that. The 3 punches combo my brother-in-law taught me was just jab-cross-jab. Today, I do my 3 punches combo as:

- jab-cross-hook.
- jab-hook-uppercut,
- hook-back fist-uppercut,
- overhand-backfist-cross,
- ...

A solo form may contain many principles. Each principle can map into many techniques. A teacher may teach just 1 technique from a principle. A student has to do his homework for the rest of his life.

 

[isshinryuronin]

- jab-cross-hook.
- jab-hook-uppercut,
- hook-back fist-uppercut,
- overhand-backfist-cross,

There are few "advanced" techniques in TMA, at least practical ones. Excellent basics are the foundation of everything else. What's "advanced" is the execution: Spontaneity, timing, flow, recognition of opportunity, speed, tactics, etc. and how they are all put together. BTW, none of these things can be learned from a book or video. They are developed over time requiring "body feel" and freestyle interaction with an opponent.

When I was 11, my brother-in-law forced me to train "1 step 3 punches" for 3 years. Today I'm still doing that.

I still practice 0 step-1 punch and a "simple" pivot. It took me 10 years to get the first one up to my standards and 30 years for the second one. It took me that long to internalize that most footwork relies not on the feet (as logic would seem to suggest) but the hips.

 

[Kung Fu Wang106]

I still practice 0 step-1 punch and a "simple" pivot. It took me 10 years to get the first one up to my standards and 30 years for the second one. It took me that long to internalize that most footwork relies not on the feet (as logic would seem to suggest) but the hips.

I train my punch in 2 different ways:

To coordinate my punch with

1. static punch - back leg from bend to straight.
2. dynamic punch - front leg with foot landing.

 

[isshinryuronin]

dynamic punch - front leg with foot landing.

The step-in lunge punch/oi tsuki with the leading hand is much practiced in many karate dojo and I think is most predominant in Shotokan as its signature move (at least that's my perception). While it teaches several basic principles it is not commonly used in sport or actual fighting due to its slower long-distance movement. It's good for lower belts to practice and occasionally be revisited in advanced classes, IMO. It's almost non-existent in the old traditional kata: Seisan, seiuchin, naihanchi, Kusanku, etc., not really fitting in with Okinawan fighting doctrine. I don't spend a lot of time on it.

 

[APL76]

I mean as in practicing the basic forms like SNT or SLT for a certain number of days (or weeks/months depending on the speed at which you learn the techniques) until you have sufficient knowledge of forms as well as being able to do them fluently and with perfect execution.

To sum it all up I just want to know how long I should practice the basic forms (or really just any particular lesson) before moving on to the next one.

I have read different suggestions before of examples such as practicing a single lesson (specifically Master Wong's Wing Chun for Beginners:

) for 3 weeks before moving on to the next one.
I was 2 weeks into following that recommendation before wondering if 3 weeks was too long to practice one lesson before continuing.

When I teach beginners, I'd expect them to do the first section of the SLT for about 4 to 6 months before I introduce them to the latter parts of the form. To get through the first 3 forms I'd expect on average about 2 to 4 years depending on the student.

And they forms should be practiced regularly, especially the SLT.