Flatlander
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Guys, is this thread about who you're supporting, or who your neighbour is supporting?
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flatlander said:Guys, is this thread about who you're supporting, or who your neighbour is supporting?
I think that would be Bush. He would like to legalize all current undocumented workers in the US (Good for Agri-Business).Technopunk said:Whos for letting the illegal aliens stay? Thats probably who my neighbors, living 7-8 families to a 2 bedroom house, are voting for.
So much for a 'Free Country', eh ?lonecoyote said:Well,this information being out there is scary, because some of us live in areas where it seems like we are the only ones who support the candidates we do. I'm a democrat who lives in an ultra conservative part of the country. Conservatives in some parts of the country probably feel the same way. We keep our opinions to ourselves, don't bring up politics in normal everyday conversation and grind our teeth a lot because it seems like the whole world, at least the one we see in our daily life, no one sees things our way. So I don't want people knowing who I contribute to. And I won't put on a Kerry bumper sticker, because I know that I'd walk out of the coffee shop and meet up with some jerk who felt that he had to set me straight about America. Republicans in some parts of the country probably feel that could happen to them too. We're too divided right now, not willing to listen to each other, too intolerant, for this information to be public.
Wow...rmcrobertson said:Yep, teachers and unions. Sources of All Evil in the universe. It's the damn teachers who keep demanding that kids actually learn stuff--those darn Judy Blume books! that dratted evil-lution!--and the damn unions that have the unmitigated gall to--get this!--demand living wages, affordable health care, a safe working conditions.
Those bastards. If they'd just leave the corporations, the fundamentalists, the wealthy, and Rupert Murdoch alone, a man could enjoy himself a little.
I've no idea who my neighbor's supportin'. I figure it's none of my beeswax.
hardheadjarhead said:I believe their dog Henry is also a Democrat.
Phoenix44 said:Instead of "holding your nose" while voting for Kerry, how about looking at his record, and being proud to cast your vote:
He would close the loopholes that reward corporations taking jobs overseas.
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex marriage.
Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation.
He would FULLY FUND the mandated education standards
He has voted in favor of every initiative to improve the environment
He has voted in favor of almost every elections reform measure.
He's against cutting or privatizing social security.
He supports separation of church and state.
He has a distinguished military record.
He's actually worked for a living.
The difference between Kerry and Bush is so obvious, let's stop the "nose-holding."
hardheadjarhead said:Sure...we're going to have to pay for it through taxes...but once we start taxing big businesses and the rich like they deserve to be taxed...which is their fair share...it ought not be that big of a problem.
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What exactly is a 'plain fact'?Brother John said:Wow...
a tad bit touchy there Robert?
He didn't say anything that's not just plain fact.
Unionized teachers often support the Democratic party. While there are a wide variety of views within both political parties, it is a 'plain fact' that teachers "go liberal". Yes, many professional educators are upset with the No Child Left Behind act .... possibly because it has become an 'Unfunded Mandate' ... something I used to hear about from Republicans. Hmmm. And, as others have pointed out, the certainty of the 'plain fact' that private schools cost taxpayers less money can also be questioned.deadhand31 said:I can understand the teachers. The teachers union tends to go liberal. They're also peeved at the no child left behind act. Because of the vouchers being instituted, teachers have to work harder to make sure that the students actually learn something. They also don't want to have their jobs on the line if a student ends up doing a better job at a private school, while costing the taxpayers less money.
It is also a 'plain fact' that liberals don't want to work, which is why they form unions. And collective bargianing is really about controlling all the money in the country without any accountability. Thank God for Wal-Mart.deadhand31 said:As for laborers, well, unions in general tend to go liberal. I, myself, have never been one for unions. They benefit the people who want to work the least the most. Unions can bring about good things, but they take things too far. You're not allowed to fired slackers because they've been there longer, you can't send job descriptions to doctors so they know what someone has to do at work, and they have no financial accountability to anyone.
And it is a 'plain fact', that Kerry is going to set price controls on independent businesses to control profit margins .... Free Market be damned. Self-employed people don't need to find ways to become more efficient, thus lowering their costs. Nor should they be able to set prices for goods and services to determine their profit margins. Kerry, will take care of all of that for us.deadhand31 said:As for self-employed people, why the hell would they go with Kerry? He's a guy who votes for every damn tax increase and tried to put a 50 cent a gallon tax on gas. A self employed person could expect a lower profit margin with Kerry.
That's a fact.michaeledward said:But facts are not generalizations ... and generalizations are not facts.
michaeledward said:What exactly is a 'plain fact'?
Unionized teachers often support the Democratic party. While there are a wide variety of views within both political parties, it is a 'plain fact' that teachers "go liberal". Yes, many professional educators are upset with the No Child Left Behind act .... possibly because it has become an 'Unfunded Mandate' ... something I used to hear about from Republicans. Hmmm. And, as others have pointed out, the certainty of the 'plain fact' that private schools cost taxpayers less money can also be questioned.
It is also a 'plain fact' that liberals don't want to work, which is why they form unions. And collective bargianing is really about controlling all the money in the country without any accountability. Thank God for Wal-Mart.
And it is a 'plain fact', that Kerry is going to set price controls on independent businesses to control profit margins .... Free Market be damned. Self-employed people don't need to find ways to become more efficient, thus lowering their costs. Nor should they be able to set prices for goods and services to determine their profit margins. Kerry, will take care of all of that for us.
It is a "PLAIN FACT".
Mike
OK ... sorry about the sarcasm .... what deadhand31 said was not 'plain fact', it was spin. Certainly, he is entitled to his opinion, as are we all. But facts are not generalizations ... and generalizations are not facts.
This I didn't know. The liberals I know almost all have jobs and do well at them. I don't think that political persuasion goes hand in hand with one work ethic or the other. BUT: I do believe that unions end up having the effect of defending workers who have little to NO work ethic...just becuase they've been there a while.It is also a 'plain fact' that liberals don't want to work, which is why they form unions.
One someone is "going to do" isn't a fact, it's a promise.And it is a 'plain fact', that Kerry is going to set price controls on independent businesses to control profit margins .... Free Market be damned.
michaeledward said:But, that was a rhetorical question, right?
Your idea of "fair share" is kind of skewed.deadhand31 said:Umm, just want to let you know, the richest 2% pay for HALF of the nations taxes. Would you like to have their percentage of taxes taken out of your paycheck? You know, to do your fair share?
Republicans and Libertarians, on the whole, appear to deny the actual existence of the social contract. Their policies appear to advocate a return to some sort of neo-feudal society, where the hoi polloi happily scrabble at their hamster wheels, producing more capital and happiness for the wealthy few while still living fever-dreams of somehow being uplifted to those classes where they, in turn, can reap the labors of others.rmcrobertson said:What's worst about the Republicans, these days, is their absolute denial of the social contract.