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GaryM,
I need to clarify a few things in your post, please don't take it personally. First...
The .45, like any service caliber is at BEST adequate against human beings based on many factors.
An individual can live for hours, perhaps days after receiving a shot into or through the heart. About 12 years ago an LAPD officer was shot through the heart with a .357 magnum at close range. She returned fire with her 9mm, killing her attacker. She survived emergency surgery and as far as I know is still on duty today [after a lengthy recovery of course].
William Platt in the 'FBI-Miami massacre' was shot numerous times with one 9mm round nicking the heart. He survived and killed/wounded agents afterwards till he was shot in the head. Which is not a guarentee either.
The average .45 round does 850 feet per second. To calculate its Ft/lbs of energy you convert the bullet weight from grains [usually 230] into lbs, then multiply by the square of it's velocity and then divide by two gravities [64.32]. The average .45 is lucky to produce 350 ft/lbs of energy per square inch. It is physically impossible for a bullet, enen a rifle bullet in most cases to knock you over. If the individual falls it is a psychological event NOT a physiological event. In order for a bullet to knock someone over it would in turn knock down the shooter because for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.
And energy in the handgun levels is not even worth considering. They don't mean anything till you get up into the high caliber rifles.
The first consideration is function. Does the round function flawlessly in your handgun? The second is penetration. Will the round penetrate to a vital area of the body from any angle? Everything else is a distant third be it caliber, weight, velocity, bullet type etc.
Technopunk,
I would recommend against a Glaser Safety Slug. Even the Magsafe. Yes they do alot of surface damage but they do NOT even come close in real tissue to the required minimum of 12-14 inches. They are lucky to penetrate 4 inches in live tissue, perhaps 6 for the Magsafe.
Most torso shots are ubstructed by outstretched limbs which compounds the problem because of added muscle tissue.
Food for thought gentlemen.
I need to clarify a few things in your post, please don't take it personally. First...
The .45, like any service caliber is at BEST adequate against human beings based on many factors.
An individual can live for hours, perhaps days after receiving a shot into or through the heart. About 12 years ago an LAPD officer was shot through the heart with a .357 magnum at close range. She returned fire with her 9mm, killing her attacker. She survived emergency surgery and as far as I know is still on duty today [after a lengthy recovery of course].
William Platt in the 'FBI-Miami massacre' was shot numerous times with one 9mm round nicking the heart. He survived and killed/wounded agents afterwards till he was shot in the head. Which is not a guarentee either.
The average .45 round does 850 feet per second. To calculate its Ft/lbs of energy you convert the bullet weight from grains [usually 230] into lbs, then multiply by the square of it's velocity and then divide by two gravities [64.32]. The average .45 is lucky to produce 350 ft/lbs of energy per square inch. It is physically impossible for a bullet, enen a rifle bullet in most cases to knock you over. If the individual falls it is a psychological event NOT a physiological event. In order for a bullet to knock someone over it would in turn knock down the shooter because for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.
And energy in the handgun levels is not even worth considering. They don't mean anything till you get up into the high caliber rifles.
The first consideration is function. Does the round function flawlessly in your handgun? The second is penetration. Will the round penetrate to a vital area of the body from any angle? Everything else is a distant third be it caliber, weight, velocity, bullet type etc.
Technopunk,
I would recommend against a Glaser Safety Slug. Even the Magsafe. Yes they do alot of surface damage but they do NOT even come close in real tissue to the required minimum of 12-14 inches. They are lucky to penetrate 4 inches in live tissue, perhaps 6 for the Magsafe.
Most torso shots are ubstructed by outstretched limbs which compounds the problem because of added muscle tissue.
Food for thought gentlemen.
8 out of 10 times I have to engage the BG I am shooting him through his outstretched arms. The reason is that he is usually holding out a weapon be it firearm, knife, club etc. Which is why he's being shot in the first place. Look into a mirror and raise your hands up as though your aiming at someone. Notice how you arms are over your COM [center of mass]. This is where we are taught to shoot [and head in some cases] because it is the largest part of the body and contains the vital organs. If you could drae a rectangular box from between you eyes, about 5 inches wide and countinue it down to just above your belly button it would give you a good idea of what we are shooting for. But because of outstretched limbs, or odd angles it is not always a straight on, unobstructed shot. A round has to be able to penatrate that barrier and still go deep enough to hit something important. 
