Originally posted by bob919
JKD the martial art is just like any martial art geared toward one person or a group of people
JKD the principles is universal theses are the thingseveryone should learn
loads of principles and learning how to use them in any situation
I have already asked this question and the answers are still the same. Lets say that Bruce taught Dan Inosanto. Dan then added some of his own stuff and left out some that didn't work for him. Dan then taught Paul Vunak. Paul took what Dan taught him and added some stuff and removed some stuff then taught someone else. How long is it going to take for this 'art' to not even remotely resemble the method bruce lee used to fight? If people have trained in a lot of different styles, even if one of them is JKD why don't they come up with their own system? Are they just cashing in on the Bruce Lee name?
Originally posted by MNKaliGroupRayW
I am lucky to have the ability to train at a JKD/JunFan school in Minneapolis, MN. At the Minneapolis Kali group we study Inosanto methods of Kali and Silat, Mechado BJJ, TBA Thai Boxing under Ajarn Chai Surisute plus numerous visiting seminar insturctors like Francis Fong in Wing Chung/ Jun Fan Kung Fu, Bill McGrath of Pikiti-Tirsia Kali, Eric Paulson of Combat Submission Wrestling, Ibu Rita Suwanda of Mande Muda Pencak Silat and many more. I can't speak about Paul Vunak, because I only know him by reputation and his media materials, but I can tell you my experiences with Mr. Inosanto.
Mr. Inosanto, whether he is teaching Philipino Kali or Jun Fan Kung Fu, always sites the sources of his training and techniques! It takes a huge amount of organizational effort to maintain the integrity of the arts he has learned while incorporating and disseminating decades of mixed martial arts experience. But that is the respect and honor he shows the teachers who took the time to teach him.
Those of you who have been in the arts long enough to see the many simularities in the core movements of unrelated arts can attest to the complicated notion of keeping the differences, or appreciating the subtle differences of similar techniques. Mr. Inosanto has the personal collection of matterial that he and Bruce Lee developed together in the time they were together. He has always maintained the Jun Fan corriculum in its entirety along side the other arts practiced at his school. It is not Dan Inosanto teaching Dan's version of Jun Fan. It is Dan teaching and preserving Bruce Lee's Jun Fan. It is also Dan, and his other instructors teaching Kali, Thai Boxing, Shoot Wrestling, BJJ, among others. What is Dan's personal JKD? You would have to see his whole carreer at once, and see that it looks like a living growing process of learning -that is what he feels JKD is to him and was to Bruce Lee too. His JKD/Jun Fan experience is an obvious influence on him, and he has shared his experiences with us in seminars many times. Did Mr. Inosanto stop his learning process as soon as Bruce died? Of course not! Paul Vunak also rooted his beginings in a strong Jun Fan backround and went his own direction with it.
As for cashing in on Bruce Lee's name, I cannot think of anyone who charishes the Lee legacy more. To my knowledge Dan's Instructors to this day do not use the JKD name in their titles or names of their schools because Bruce had expressed a desire to keep his art personal and non-commercial before he passed away. Dan logged more training time, demoed more, and holds more certification from Bruce Lee than ANY person alive. And yet he will not market himself as a JKD school! There are JKD schools out there using a name based only on the premise of reading Bruce Lee books! Now that's commercialization!
If I had the right, I would almost encourage Mr. Inosanto to loosen his policy on using the JKD name. I feel the vacume left in the JKD world has allowed less than qualified individuals to fill the demand that has continued to grow. But I am sure it is something he worries little about, because he is busy with the journey he and his students are taking everyday to become more complete fighters and better individuals.
Thats just my personal experience on the matter, and it is a short one, just the last four years of training at the MKG. And I am of course a big fan of Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto so I have read most books available on the subject. I encourage you to read both mens biographies and descide for yourselves!
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If JKD goes on the premise of taking what is useful etc etc then how is it standardised? It then would just seem to me to be the use a name for financial benefit with no real link to Bruce Lee.