We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

Bob Hubbard

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Found this.....interesting, if true....
Original blog at http://sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3023

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We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

October 26, 2006

Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,
2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us
permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
United States.

It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document"
that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually
unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you
want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the
agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the
request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United
States.

Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on
assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to
expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!
You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA.
Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid
detention center, where you and others who are now effectively
"stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until
their immigration status is sorted out.

Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United
States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be
an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of
appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,
without probable cause and without even any particular degree of
suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're
a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or
not you hold a U.S. passport.

The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional
right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the
right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The
United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of
travel." So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a
lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

Think this can't happen? Think again. It's ALREADY happening. Earlier
this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a
native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition
lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history
that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.
If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to
this list.

For more information on this proposed regulation, see http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.
 

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The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional right to travel internationally.

Do you have a citation? I'd be curious to read it.
 

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I'd love to do so, except, I want to stay who I am now, even if my age shrank. LOL.
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I can see tightening down on who enters our country, but, not leaving. If they want to go, By all means, go.

Don't know if this is true of not, but it seems to be about getting on some sort of plane or other item that can be hijacked or attacked. If someone walked to the Canadian border no one would try to stop them if the article is correct. It is just getting on a plane or ship that might be covered.
 

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This bears watching, but initial reports from smaller press are often slanted or absent enough pertinent information to come to a judgment. In any case, thanks for the heads up, Bob.
 

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Goodbye Free Country.
 

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This was a long time coming. I remember my father telling me how life would most likely be when I grew up. He mentioned not being free to move about globally. Okay, but when they start crackin down internally, like not being able to travel state to state freely...then I will feel like a prisoner.
 

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This has been going on for a long time, hasn't it? Doesn't the government already deny entry to countries like Cuba? Anyway, I'm with Hand Sword. The right to vote with one's feet is - should be - absolute.
 
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The source seems to have some comments indicating it's only in regard to plane/ship travel. Nothing else was cited, and I haven't found any other articles in a similar light so far. I do recall there being some discussion that only a passport will allow reentry in the future, but haven't updated on that story in some months so don't know whats up with it.
 

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Still don't need passports as far as I know. I was over in Canada a couple of days ago and if we needed them to get back over, the Customs guy forgot as well. Seeing how it was a new guy to this area, I doubt he would have forgot already. The older guys are more likely to shoot the breeze with you about anything OTHER than the purpose of your trip. But that is up here, elsewhere they may be actually cracking down.

So far I haven't heard a word of this proposed change. Usually anything that will hinder cross border traffic and travel gets a ton of press up this way. Everybody either is from Canada, has family in Canada, or friends over across. Any hinderance to this interaction is usually front page news and would have surely been a major point in the past couple of weeks, with all the polititions slinging horse po about how their opposition is going to ruin all our lives. It is something I am going to keep a close eye on though, just in case.
 

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Still don't need passports as far as I know. I was over in Canada a couple of days ago and if we needed them to get back over, the Customs guy forgot as well. Seeing how it was a new guy to this area, I doubt he would have forgot already. The older guys are more likely to shoot the breeze with you about anything OTHER than the purpose of your trip. But that is up here, elsewhere they may be actually cracking down.

So far I haven't heard a word of this proposed change. Usually anything that will hinder cross border traffic and travel gets a ton of press up this way. Everybody either is from Canada, has family in Canada, or friends over across. Any hinderance to this interaction is usually front page news and would have surely been a major point in the past couple of weeks, with all the polititions slinging horse po about how their opposition is going to ruin all our lives. It is something I am going to keep a close eye on though, just in case.
I was in Niagara Falls just over a year ago, and they asked for my passport going both ways. As you said, I'm sure it depends on the border guard you get, but if you're going to travel, it doesn't hurt to bring your passport with you. Well, at least for now.
 

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