"We are in the business of hurting people"

[Deleted member 61138]

This was a phrase my JKD teacher in Sydney used to illustrate the fact that there was no room for flowery or superfluous movements in our approach.A technique either works or it doesnt and Walt Missingham had plenty of real world experience to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Xue Sheng156 10]

Back when i trained the version of Sanda the police in Chins are trained, my shifu said, “Sanda is not the best martial art, or the most dangerous. It is just a quick way to learn how to hurt people very badly “

 

[Darren]

on the mat it is uncalled for out on the street working security and knowing your the bait the front lines baby! it takes everything you have.

 

[Gyakuto167 176]

This was a phrase my JKD teacher in Sydney used to illustrate the fact that there was no room for flowery or superfluous movements in our approach.

I think that’s very true but there are degrees of floweriness and superficiality. When someone say, “Grab my wrist here and now I twist underneath and extend my left leg and push backward whilst flattening my tongue against my teeth and…” I internally roll my eyes. Simplicity is more applicable in a heated, adrenaline-filled situation.

A technique either works or it doesnt and Walt Missingham had plenty of real world experience to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

The problem with this statement is it might work for some and in some situations but for not for others in a different situation.

 

[drop bear4]

I am mostly in the trying not to hurt people business.

Its embarrassing. Your name goes up on a wall everyone mocks you and you feel bad.

 

[Deleted member 61138]

The people being critical know nothing about the area we live in....South West Sydney is a violent place where sections are virtually no go areas unless you are of middle eastern descent. Machetes are brandished as a matter of course and drive by shootings and abductions are a daily event due to a soft attitude to organised crime.If I am attacked by some clown intending me serious harm, I am not interested in "understanding" him...I want to be able to deal with the threat and get home safely

 

[Deleted member 61138]

I am mostly in the trying not to hurt people business.

Its embarrassing. Your name goes up on a wall everyone mocks you and you feel bad.

Well good for you

 

[drop bear4]

The people being critical know nothing about the area we live in....South West Sydney is a violent place where sections are virtually no go areas unless you are of middle eastern descent. Machetes are brandished as a matter of course and drive by shootings and abductions are a daily event due to a soft attitude to organised crime.If I am attacked by some clown intending me serious harm, I am not interested in "understanding" him...I want to be able to deal with the threat and get home safely

Move.

 

[Deleted member 61138]

Move.

No mate...Im not here to seek approval from people that know very little about the realities of real world violence or to be patronised...if you dont agree with or like what I post, scroll on and find and echo chamber that suits your views

 

[Fungus]

I had a senior Kyokushin instructor say similar thing when speaking about about versions of techniques.

"If you technique inflicts damage to your opponent - it's good"

But I understand it from the paradigm of the art in a non-aggresive way. It does not encourage anyone to hurt others. There is a tension but not a paradox. The same instructor didnt like competitions either. The art is about howto inflict maximal damage to disable them from attacking you.

In sparring one holds back to deliver pain but not serious damage.

 

[drop bear4]

No mate...Im not here to seek approval from people that know very little about the realities of real world violence or to be patronised...if you dont agree with or like what I post, scroll on and find and echo chamber that suits your views

You do you boo. I will continue to enjoy my easy life by the beach.

 

[Deleted member 61138]

You do you boo. I will continue to enjoy my easy life by the beach.
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[Deleted member 61138]

I had a senior Kyokushin instructor say similar thing when speaking about about versions of techniques.

"If you technique inflicts damage to your opponent - it's good"

But I understand it from the paradigm of the art in a non-aggresive way. It does not encourage anyone to hurt others. There is a tension but not a paradox. The same instructor didnt like competitions either. The art is about howto inflict maximal damage to disable them from attacking you.

In sparring one holds back to deliver pain but not serious damage.

I’m not referencing sparring

 

[Deleted member 61138]

I had a senior Kyokushin instructor say similar thing when speaking about about versions of techniques.

"If you technique inflicts damage to your opponent - it's good"

But I understand it from the paradigm of the art in a non-aggresive way. It does not encourage anyone to hurt others. There is a tension but not a paradox. The same instructor didnt like competitions either. The art is about howto inflict maximal damage to disable them from attacking you.

In sparring one holds back to deliver pain but not serious damage.

Our focus wasnt sport...all the training was geared towards surviving a life threatening situation. Walt would interview prospective students and as he had a degree in psychology, he was able to select the kind of students that wouldnt go off half cocked and get into fights casually.You would also be vetted by senior students and training partners. he also had a strict policy of not teaching anyone under the age of 18...he had an excellent radar for detecting thugs and bullies and they were always turned away.

 

[Fungus]

Our focus wasnt sport...

I fully got that

all the training was geared towards surviving a life threatening situation.

This is to me "the art" - not sport nor sparring

Sparring is just the learning tool = training - instead of getting into real life threatening situations just to prepare for the same.

 

[Holmejr2]

In the west it seems like MA is being sold more and more as a holistic way of healing rather than physical self defense.

I went to a class recently where half the class was about releasing bad energy.

Someone actually told me that the only reason I study the MA is because of my internal shortcomings. Hate and fear.

 

[drop bear4]

Our focus wasnt sport...all the training was geared towards surviving a life threatening situation. Walt would interview prospective students and as he had a degree in psychology, he was able to select the kind of students that wouldnt go off half cocked and get into fights casually.You would also be vetted by senior students and training partners. he also had a strict policy of not teaching anyone under the age of 18...he had an excellent radar for detecting thugs and bullies and they were always turned away.

You still need to train in a way that doesn't injure people.

If you are injured you are not training as effectively as you could be.

 

[drop bear4]

In the west it seems like MA is being sold more and more as a holistic way of healing rather than physical self defense.

I went to a class recently where half the class was about releasing bad energy.

Someone actually told me that the only reason I study the MA is because of my internal shortcomings. Hate and fear.

I know a gym that is specifically geared towards that holistic healing.

And they use MMA to achieve it.

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[Deleted member 61138]

You still need to train in a way that doesn't injure people.

If you are injured you are not training as effectively as you could be.

Good god...mate...I am not talking about training to injure training partners....Im talking about cultivating the ability to effectively deal with someone intent on causing you serious harm or death...tell you what...I will train my way and you can practice chanting at them

 

[Gyakuto167 176]

You do you boo. I will continue to enjoy my easy life by the beach.
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