Em MacIntosh
3rd Black Belt
Has anyone ever heard of lieutenantx or bought his stuff? Just wondering if anyone can correct my scepticism.
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CuongNhuka
Senior Master
Here are my points about "Lieutent x".
1. If he really was this capable, he would be more then a butter bar, or a sargeant. And by the way, there is no such rank as lieutent, there is first and second.
2. If he was really that good, he would probably be a Marine. I have no problems with the Army, but the Marines are the ones who do alot of combatives training.
3. If he was really that good, he wouldn't be in intellegince. He'd be in infantry. Probably the Rangers, Paratroopers, or the Marine Special Scouts.
4. If what he does is really that dangerous, why is he selling it over the net/magazines. If Congress (which more or less stays out of military training) said it cann't be know, he would be found and arrested. He had to do something that would leave some kind of paper trail back to himself.
So as you can see, I have a feeling this guy is full of it.
1. If he really was this capable, he would be more then a butter bar, or a sargeant. And by the way, there is no such rank as lieutent, there is first and second.
2. If he was really that good, he would probably be a Marine. I have no problems with the Army, but the Marines are the ones who do alot of combatives training.
3. If he was really that good, he wouldn't be in intellegince. He'd be in infantry. Probably the Rangers, Paratroopers, or the Marine Special Scouts.
4. If what he does is really that dangerous, why is he selling it over the net/magazines. If Congress (which more or less stays out of military training) said it cann't be know, he would be found and arrested. He had to do something that would leave some kind of paper trail back to himself.
So as you can see, I have a feeling this guy is full of it.
I kinow everything about him but if I told you I would have to kill you. Remember it is top secret stuff
bushidomartialarts
Senior Master
Your skepticism in this case is well founded.
While your skepticism is warranted, your information is mostly incorrect.
1. There is a rank of Lieutenant - without the first or second - it si O-3 in the Navy. While said individual claims to be from the Army Special Forces, it is not unheard of in our current world of Joint Operations for a Navy SEAL to be attached to a SF ODA. I have no idea why he would be Navy and sign his name as an Army SF guy though. There's a red flag.
2. You give each individual service branch way too much credit for training "top secret hand to hand techniques." While I do feel that the Marine Corps Martial Art Program (which replaced the former L.I.N.E.S. system in the turn of the century) is far superior to the Modern Army Combatives (circa 2002), as you will find everywhere...it's the fighter, not the system.
3. Your assesment of quality is somewhat misplaced. Earning my Jump wings almost 10 years ago didn't make me a better fighter. Going to Ranger School doesn't make one a better fighter (more confidant, perhaps...often more angry). I won't argue that it is more common for hard-asses to go infantry than MI, but once an officer goes SF, that is his branch...not Military Intelligence. There-in the problem lies, not that he was an intel weenie instead of an infantry guy.
4. You are spot-on with number four. I have no corrections to suggest!
All in all, I agree that this fellow is BS, but not for the reasons that you cite.
If you mean this guy, then no, I know nothing specific about him. His website, however, raises quite a few red flags.
He claims a "secret technique that anyone can learn". So do I; however, I don't claim it's a magic bullet, nor do I claim you can learn it without practice.
His only claim to being good is that he is better than the competition - with no reason why given, just that he says he is better. This claim has never, in my experience, been true, and has usually been based on a) sour grapes; b) money grubbing; c) both.
His entire site looks like he's trying too hard - and he is. I wouldn't bother. Also, I ran a google search on him... the words "false advertising" showed up on the front page results.
Just remember - if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
He claims a "secret technique that anyone can learn". So do I; however, I don't claim it's a magic bullet, nor do I claim you can learn it without practice.
His only claim to being good is that he is better than the competition - with no reason why given, just that he says he is better. This claim has never, in my experience, been true, and has usually been based on a) sour grapes; b) money grubbing; c) both.
His entire site looks like he's trying too hard - and he is. I wouldn't bother. Also, I ran a google search on him... the words "false advertising" showed up on the front page results.
Just remember - if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
charyuop
Black Belt
Top Secret? Loved it! Cows in boots, French resistence members named "Latrine", Val Kilmer... *dreamy sigh*
Oh...sorry...wrong "Top Secret" :lol:
Great movie, laughed from the beginning through to the end.
Whenever I see something advertised like this I try and assess 2 things
1.) Does it actually work?
2.) Is the company reputable?
I'm not in a position to judge the answer to question 1, I don't know anything about their self-defense system, I study traditional martial arts.
As for question 2, I go to the following site
http://www.ripoffreport.com/search.asp
and do a search to see if there have been any complaints filed.
I typed in "TopSecretTraining" and viewed the results.
Halfway down the page, they'll list another search box with all of the related companies/related parties to your search term. If interested, click on that to see complaints filed on all of the companies in the group.
Run the search for yourself and reach your own conclusion as to whether you want to buy from this company.
My overall advice would be caveat emptor (buyer beware).
1.) Does it actually work?
2.) Is the company reputable?
I'm not in a position to judge the answer to question 1, I don't know anything about their self-defense system, I study traditional martial arts.
As for question 2, I go to the following site
http://www.ripoffreport.com/search.asp
and do a search to see if there have been any complaints filed.
I typed in "TopSecretTraining" and viewed the results.
Halfway down the page, they'll list another search box with all of the related companies/related parties to your search term. If interested, click on that to see complaints filed on all of the companies in the group.
Run the search for yourself and reach your own conclusion as to whether you want to buy from this company.
My overall advice would be caveat emptor (buyer beware).
Top Secret? Loved it! Cows in boots, French resistence members named "Latrine", Val Kilmer... *dreamy sigh*
Oh...sorry...wrong "Top Secret" :lol:
I'm sorry... for a second there, Carol, I thought I was reading `cows in boots'... wait a second, it's still there... what am I doing wrong?? Obviously cows will not be wearing boots.... right? RIGHT??? :uhohh:
After reading the opening page, I don't trust this guy enough to give him my e-mail address, name OR birthday....although I'm kind of morbidly curious what this thing says.
To me, the bottom line is that even if he IS telling the truth and the stuff works, which I highly doubt, you'd probably land yourself in jail within a week by being a "walking breating weapon of mass destruction" or using a "murder by numbers method."
To me, the bottom line is that even if he IS telling the truth and the stuff works, which I highly doubt, you'd probably land yourself in jail within a week by being a "walking breating weapon of mass destruction" or using a "murder by numbers method."
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Em MacIntosh
3rd Black Belt
- Thread Starter
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no doubt he's useless to me. just thought if someone had tried it and it wasn't BS I might learn a little more about it before I buy. That's what I thought though. He sounds scrappy and sadistic.
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Em MacIntosh
3rd Black Belt
- Thread Starter
- #13
Chocolate Mousse
Over there! :lfao: :lfao: :lfao:
Sorry for the slight thread hijack. Its one of my fave movies
CoryKS
Senior Master
Top Secret? Loved it! Cows in boots, French resistence members named "Latrine", Val Kilmer... *dreamy sigh*
Oh...sorry...wrong "Top Secret" :lol:
It sounds like some bad movie. :lol:
Cirdan
Senior Master
Gasoline! *GLUG*GLUG*GLUG*
CuongNhuka
Senior Master
Allow me to explain
1. In the Army there is no rank of Lieutnet. I was pretty sure the Navy had one, but I know for a fact the Army doesn't.
2. And I'm aware that it is the fighter not the system. I meant that the service that would give him alot of combatives training (and thus this "secret weapon" bs) would probably be the Marines. He could have easily gotten form the Coast Guard for all I know (which is the least combative of the various branhes). But it seems unlikely that he would be anything but a Marine. Army is the next most likely of course.
3. Again, I know. My point was (agian) because of the combat focus, this is were it becomes most likely. He could easily have been infantry, intel, a radio man, or a specialist. But it seems unlikely that the Army would spend time and money teaching someone alot of combative techniques, if they're unlikely to use them.
See what I was saying?
Let's see, among my friends and acquaintances who might know about this and who leak like sieves theres...
Former Marine Force Recon troopers
Green Berets
Actual Navy Seals
People who taught applied thuggery at the JFK Special Warfare School
Golani Brigade Paratroopers
People whose uniforms didn't have any insignia and got their paychecks cut by the DOT or DOD at various times
I figure if something like this existed they'd know about it. Mirabile Dictu, none of them ever mentioned anything of the sort :shrug:
Former Marine Force Recon troopers
Green Berets
Actual Navy Seals
People who taught applied thuggery at the JFK Special Warfare School
Golani Brigade Paratroopers
People whose uniforms didn't have any insignia and got their paychecks cut by the DOT or DOD at various times
I figure if something like this existed they'd know about it. Mirabile Dictu, none of them ever mentioned anything of the sort :shrug:
Steel Tiger
Senior Master
Were any of them part of the "US Army Super Soldier training 'labs'" or are they now employed by "multi-million dollar Private Military Corporations (mercenaries)"? This is where Lieutenant X claims his techs were developed. Sounds like something straight out of Marvel Comics. He may have trained with Captain America.
I work with someone who was involved in Black Ops with the Army. According to him they do teach Combatives and they do teach hand to hand combat, above and beyond what is the standard for the rest of the Army (applies to Special Forces as well, I've asked a few PJs).
But, the three people that I've shown that were involved in special ops in one way or another all laughed at this. A lot.
I have personnally trained with the Army and Air Force and have trained with civilian companies who are employed for the specific purpose of training the military in combat techniques - they are almost all retired or prior military....and I don't think that they would appreciate being called Mercenaries either.
But, the three people that I've shown that were involved in special ops in one way or another all laughed at this. A lot.
I have personnally trained with the Army and Air Force and have trained with civilian companies who are employed for the specific purpose of training the military in combat techniques - they are almost all retired or prior military....and I don't think that they would appreciate being called Mercenaries either.
