Sublevel 4, Sublevel 5?

[Seabrook]

I have a question for Mr. Chapel.

I was taking a look at the 2006 Kenpo Internationals in the Netherlands and noticed the list of instructors and their respective seminars. One of the instructors, is from my city of London, Ontario, Mr. Steve Stewart, who trains under Frank Trejo in Kenpo and George Dillman in kyusho jitsu. Steve is a very accomplished martial artist who has trained with many reputable masters.

My knowledge of sublevel 4 has been restricted to what I have read, but I noticed that he is teaching "sublevel 4 & 5" in his seminars.

http://www.ikc2006.nl/

or taken directly from the website:

The Modern Science of Selfdefense

Sublevel 4 & 5

by
Dr Steve Stewart PhD

I never knew there was anything called "sublevel 5". Could you educate us about these areas?


Thanks in advance.

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com

 

[MisterMike]

Why not 1, 2, and 3 as well. Why does the seminar skip to levels 4 and 5?

 

[Kembudo-Kai Kempoka]

Check Infinite Insights for the Sub-levels. Oddly, as someone who plays in the SL-4 sandbox, I've never heard of this guy. SL-5? That would be a kick to see. It'd be fun to drop in on the seminar and see what, exactly, he refers to as 4 & 5. Particularly since Mr. Mills is scheduled at the same event, representing SL4.

Ah, to be a fly on that wall.

Regards,

Dave

 

[Bode]

As far as I know, being a student of Doc's, there was no such term as "Sublevel 5" in Ed Parker's American Kenpo.
If Steve Stewart, who may be a great Martial Artist, is teaching it, then he has invented it to capitalize on a term that has been receiving much attention.

What I don't understand is that SL-4 refers the the sublevels contained within Contact Manipulation, the fourth level of confrontation. If we are to progress logically, then the number 5 in SL-5 must refer to another level of controntation that is even closer in range than "Contact Manipulation." What could that possilbly be? I've seen the demonstrations of Mr. Stewarts "no touch" knockouts. Perhaps SL-5 refers to the aspects of the arts that only involve the winning of a fight with telekenesis?
For the record, I don't believe anyone who say's they can perform a no touch knockout. I've seen it and it certainly looks like the power of suggestion to me.

In addition, everyone, including Steve Stewart, should keep in mind that SL-4 has been copywritten, by it's originator (Dr. Chapel), and anyone teaching it can be subject to copywrite infringement. Just a thought. I'm just happy to know that Mr. Mills will be in Holland to represent Sl-4.

So, if your out there Mr. Stewart, give us an explanation of SL-5. Better yet, call your material something else. Just don't take our (MSU) terms for you own use without at least asking or recieving some training from Doc. It's not much to ask.

 

[Kembudo-Kai Kempoka]

If SL-4 is done at the closest distance, I'm thinking SL-5 must be what you do to someone when you're *ahem* in them?
artyon:

 

[kevin kilroe]

That sounds VERY painful. Ouch!!

 

[Bode]

If SL-4 is done at the closest distance, I'm thinking SL-5 must be what you do to someone when you're *ahem* in them?

I knew it was only a matter of time before somoene would take the distance analogy one step further. Dr. D, I am not shocked that it was you. (Only because I had already thought of it, just didn't have the guts to type it)

But seriously, is everyone aware of how much direct plagarism happens in the martial arts. We recently found, word for word, our coursebook glossaries being used by another Kenpo school. Complete with defenitions for Circular Point of Origin.

 

[Rich Parsons]

I have a question for Mr. Chapel.

I was taking a look at the 2006 Kenpo Internationals in the Netherlands and noticed the list of instructors and their respective seminars. One of the instructors, is from my city of London, Ontario, Mr. Steve Stewart, who trains under Frank Trejo in Kenpo and George Dillman in kyusho jitsu. Steve is a very accomplished martial artist who has trained with many reputable masters.

My knowledge of sublevel 4 has been restricted to what I have read, but I noticed that he is teaching "sublevel 4 & 5" in his seminars.

http://www.ikc2006.nl/

or taken directly from the website:

The Modern Science of Selfdefense

Sublevel 4 & 5

by
Dr Steve Stewart PhD

I never knew there was anything called "sublevel 5". Could you educate us about these areas?


Thanks in advance.

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com

Mr Stewart has a Ph. D. ? I am surprised by this. Could someone expand in what area of study? Thank you.

 

[Rob Broad]

Mr Stewart has a Ph. D. ? I am surprised by this. Could someone expand in what area of study? Thank you.

The claim is from the University of Western Ontario in London Ontario, but that is hady, then there are claims of studies for Alzheimers, but then who remember stuff like that. The 6th degree is promotion of the art if I know my kenpo, and that is fine, but maybe some people should conatct Mike Donovan in London Ontario(orginator of Olympic Karate) to find out the scoop for Blue belt to 3rd degree Black.

Maybe Sub-Level 5 is sleight of hand, while you are distracte by the knock out someone is emptying your wallet.

 

[Rich Parsons]

The claim is from the University of Western Ontario in London Ontario, but that is hady, then there are claims of studies for Alzheimers, but then who remember stuff like that. The 6th degree is promotion of the art if I know my kenpo, and that is fine, but maybe some people should conatct Mike Donovan in London Ontario(orginator of Olympic Karate) to find out the scoop for Blue belt to 3rd degree Black.

Maybe Sub-Level 5 is sleight of hand, while you are distracte by the knock out someone is emptying your wallet.

The University Of Western Ontario.

Could this be an honorary degree? Oh Well, it are the surprises that keep it interesting.

 

[Seabrook]

Perhaps SL-5 refers to the aspects of the arts that only involve the winning of a fight with telekenesis?
For the record, I don't believe anyone who say's they can perform a no touch knockout. I've seen it and it certainly looks like the power of suggestion to me.

Agreed.

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com

 

[Seabrook]

The claim is from the University of Western Ontario in London Ontario, but that is hady, then there are claims of studies for Alzheimers, but then who remember stuff like that. The 6th degree is promotion of the art if I know my kenpo, and that is fine, but maybe some people should conatct Mike Donovan in London Ontario(orginator of Olympic Karate) to find out the scoop for Blue belt to 3rd degree Black.

Maybe Sub-Level 5 is sleight of hand, while you are distracte by the knock out someone is emptying your wallet.

Rob,

I received an email stating he just got his 7th in EPAK.

BTW - how was the WKKA camp in April? How is everything up north?

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com'

 

[eyebeams]

The University Of Western Ontario.

Could this be an honorary degree? Oh Well, it are the surprises that keep it interesting.

It's an actual accredited university. However, Stewart only claims to have a BSc in this interview:

http://www.martialinfo.com/owners/onlinemag/view.asp?mag_issue=7

It is highly unlikely -- but not, I suppose, impossible -- that he acquired a PhD from Western in the intervening two years.

But hey -- phantom doctorates and mysterious sub-levels? Who cares? Better not to rock the boat, eh?

EDIT: Ah, wait -- his bio here:

http://www.combatpressurepoints.com/masterstevestewartbiography.html

. . . says he has a Doctorate in Acupuncture, whatever that means. It wouldn't have anything to do with UWO, though.

 

[Rich Parsons]

It's an actual accredited university. However, Stewart only claims to have a BSc in this interview:

http://www.martialinfo.com/owners/onlinemag/view.asp?mag_issue=7

It is highly unlikely -- but not, I suppose, impossible -- that he acquired a PhD from Western in the intervening two years.

But hey -- phantom doctorates and mysterious sub-levels? Who cares? Better not to rock the boat, eh?

EDIT: Ah, wait -- his bio here:

http://www.combatpressurepoints.com/masterstevestewartbiography.html

. . . says he has a Doctorate in Acupuncture, whatever that means. It wouldn't have anything to do with UWO, though.

I would not think a Docorate in Acupuncture from anywhere, would refer to it as a Ph. D. I would have expected, MD, DO, DA anything, but the Ph. D.

As to rocking the boat, maybe I should not, you never know when a mysterious check may not clear.

 

[Rob Broad]

Rob,

I received an email stating he just got his 7th in EPAK.

BTW - how was the WKKA camp in April? How is everything up north?

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com'

I didn't make it down to the WKKA camp, work got too hectic. But I plan on going to the one in Montreal in August, it will be a fun event.

 

[Kembudo-Kai Kempoka]

Alright. I just got some footage of this guy doing 5-swords while wearing a 5th. He looked about as solid, crisp, clean and quick as I would expect a green in AK to be. I'm sure there isn't really that big a diff between East and West coast kenpo, or North of the Border & South of the border kenpo; not a large enough difference to account for such a disparity in skills.

I assure you: He is not a representation of SL4. He doesn't even look to be a decent representative of old-school "motion" kenpo. And I guarantee you Doc can not only do a wicked SL-4 5-swords, but any footage you find of him doing 5-swords in his "motion kenpo" days will not disappoint. As I've said before, folks may not like where Doc has gone with SL4, but even among his most vocal detractors, you won't find anyone that'll say "Doc don't know kenpo". This guy, on the other hand...

Now, if all y'all will excuse me, I'm off to my corner to self-promote to the founding master of Sub-Level 10, or some such damn thing.

Regards,

Dave Crouch

 

[jfarnsworth]

Now, if all y'all will excuse me, I'm off to my corner to self-promote to the founding master of Sub-Level 10, or some such damn thing.

Regards,

Dave Crouch

Cool! Do you need a vice president?

 

[Rick Wade]

Cool! Do you need a vice president?

I think he will need a heck of a master at arms for that style.

LOL

V/R

Rick

 

[arnisador]

The University Of Western Ontario.

Good school.

Could this be an honorary degree? Oh Well, it are the surprises that keep it interesting.

Not if it is a Ph.D., I'd think--maybe if it was a D.H.L. or something like that. It'd be easy to check by calling the school's Registrar.

A doctorate in accupuncture would usually be a Doctor of Oriental Medicine degree, I would imagine.

 

[dearnis.com]

Yes, normally an OMD. Also, I believe, normally a 4-5 year program.