I think I stated that
"I" had no problem. I never said there were no problems. Billy said that the problems I encountered in Kenpo were only me. I countered saying that in any other system I have been working in I have not had any problems and enjoyed working.
I know you want so bad to have this prove that there are problems in every system but that isn't what we're arguing about. I agree that there are problems in every system. But we're talking Kenpo. Not shotokan or anything else. Kenpo.
The attempt to say,
"Well other systems have problems too." to deflect the issue at hand isn't dealing with the issue at hand. It is just an attempt to try and point fingers elsewhere to avoid the issue.
Originally posted by Kirk
Yeah, there's not politics whatsoever in BOXING
...why that's gotta be the one most free from corruption and greed!
Never said it wasn't. You're just drooling at the hilt to try and prove me wrong to make yourself feel better. I said when I was working in the art, and boxing is an art, I had no problem. None to the degree I had in Kenpo.
In fact, in Boxing there are few belts. You fight to get one, you fight to keep one.
Originally posted by Kirk
It took me one single solitary phone call to get the politics in
Pekiti Tersia. Since you're so fond of names, because they're
the only thing that give validity to arguments (except yours,
because you never mention any, but still insist it's fact), I give
you Gabriel Martinez, of the Pekiti Tirsia PitBulls
who wouldn't teach me, or anyone else the art unless they were
solely affiliated with his school and org. He went into a half hour
rant about how PKI is a bogus organization, and strayed away
from the "true" path of P.K. He said if it's not paying dues to
"GRAND TUHON Leo Tortal Gaje, Jr.", then it's not real P.K.
Never had any problem attending any seminars or visiting schools to train. None. Zip. Zilch.
Again, I didn't say that other arts did not have problems. Just that I never had any dealing with them. But this must be starting to sound old.
Originally posted by Kirk
Saying the politicing and backstabbing doesn't go on in JKD is
just gullibility, deniability, or stupidity.
Never said it didn't happen. Again, just that I never had any problems working with those in that art. Me. No personal problems. None. Is this getting through to you yet? You seem to have a tough time clicking into the argument. It's not about arts having issues internally. We're talking Kenpo specifically. You seem to have trouble staying with that thought.
Billy said that it must be me that has the problem because it's not Kenpo. I stated that any other art I worked in or at I have not had a problem. I never said they didn't have problems. Just that I had no problem. In Kenpo I did. Therefore it can't
just be my sparkling personality. Although I do take that into account.
Um, can I make that clearer?
Originally posted by Kirk
Systema and BJJ are still the new kids on the block. You can't
even rightfully use these in your arguments, until the almightly
Helio dies, and the same for Vlad. Then just watch. I'll have my
b.b. videos and certs, no prob.
Hell, both arts have internal issues and they are no where near as new as you think.
I'm sure you can cert up now with BJJ. Except that when it comes time to prove it on the floor you'll have a tougher time than many styles of karate convincing others.
As for Systema, they don't even have certs.
Both already have videos. However, BJJ has few belts and systema has none at all.
But please, if you want to try and take this thread in another direction then do so. But we're talking about EPAK. It's far too easy to point at other arts and be like a 3rd grader and say,
"Well they have troubles too!" to get out of discussing an issue.
Also, I am not the guy not naming names when asked. That bubbles...would be you. I'm not saying,
"I know something about you that I heard from some one."
That's ok. You're pissed off at me and you feel the need to hurt me to make yourself feel better even if it has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Doesn't bother me. I understand.
So, to summerize. I said,
"It's not just me that has the problem. I have had no problem working in other arts." The topic at hand was EPAK politics.
Sorry to steal your thunder.
