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Senior Master
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Originally posted by nightingale8472
um...doc?
speaking of context...
I have no idea what this new thread about context is in reference to. Could you elaborate please?
respectfully,
Nightingale:asian:
Originally posted by nightingale8472
um...doc?
speaking of context...
I have no idea what this new thread about context is in reference to. Could you elaborate please?
respectfully,
Nightingale:asian:
Originally posted by ProfessorKenpo
Read the article a bit more indepth Kris and you'll see alot of inconsistencies in their statements such as; Frank Trejo is based out of Santiago, Chile LOL, or Joe Alanzo instead of Palanzo. They can't even get that straight.
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
Originally posted by jeffkyle
It looks like some names with a "P" in them were missing the "P". Like "P"aul Dyes and "P"aul Mills...etc. Just some names in a couple of different places. Sounds like that editor needed more Ca"p""p"uccino that morning.
Originally posted by jeffkyle
It looks like some names with a "P" in them were missing the "P". Like "P"aul Dyes and "P"aul Mills...etc. Just some names in a couple of different places. Sounds like that editor needed more Ca"p""p"uccino that morning.
Originally posted by Brother John
It seems to me that a great deal of Mr. Parkers genius lay along four different veins:
1. A creator and innovator.
2. Logical systemization and organization.
3. A master student of EVERYONE. (he learned from everyone)
4. An insightful powder keg!!!
Let me explain the last one.
Seems to me that, as others have said, Mr. Parker could really read a person and preferred to work with each persons strengths. If you look at what different people emphasize or are known for, then you will see Mr. Parkers influence in it.
FOR INSTANCE:
You, Mr. Chapel, were in law enforcement. Your skills needed to be based on gaining control of a person without doing any real damage (the kind that get badges taken away), yet affords the greatest amount of safety to the one applying it. Thus it would be logical that your training would need to center around the use of close contact grappling, or what you call control manipulation. It would also make use of those parts of a persons anatomy that would render a sure and quick result without pain (for a cop, pain compliance can go too far easily, and be seen as abusive) thus the exploration of nerves. Makes sense.
But really, your knowledge is not limited to this but it was in your best interest for you to emphasize these points.
Mr. Trejo was a masterful ring fighter! His knowledge of sport karate tactics and training is deep as I understand it. BUT again, his knowledge/skill is by no means limited to this. But it was his passion and gift and Mr. Parker used it.
Mr. Mills was a bouncer for years in some pretty rough places. He applied the art his instructor shared with him time and again, finding what did and didnt work or what worked, but what worked better. He gained a great deal of insight, with the help of his instructor Mr. Parker, into the whys of Kenpo and began to formulate ideas to improve effectiveness in Kenpo and Kenpoists. Mr. Mills other gift is also a natural physical and mental speed/power. Mr. Parker saw this in him and helped him develop this trait within himself and within his innovative ideas. By no means are these his only excellent traits, nor is his knowledge/skill limited to them, but it is what he is known for. Makes sense.
Look at Mr. Pick. His gift/passion seems to be along the lines of knife work. Thus, its what he is known for and what his instructor worked with him on.
Look at Mr. Hancock. A scholar, so Mr. Parker put his skills and abilities to good use.
The list goes on, to all that Mr. Parker had an effect on. That effect even extends beyond Kenpo too.
My point: I agree, Kenpo was taught differently to different people based on strengths and needs. He had insight into each person, found their particular flame and was the powder keg to make that flame a BLAZE.
Those are reasons we still love him, miss him and revere him. He brought the best out and amplified it!
Thats how I see it.
But I wasnt there.
Your Brother
John
Originally posted by Brother John
It seems to me that a great deal of Mr. Parkers genius lay along four different veins:
1. A creator and innovator.
2. Logical systemization and organization.
3. A master student of EVERYONE. (he learned from everyone)
4. An insightful powder keg!!!
Let me explain the last one.
Seems to me that, as others have said, Mr. Parker could really read a person and preferred to work with each persons strengths. If you look at what different people emphasize or are known for, then you will see Mr. Parkers influence in it.
FOR INSTANCE:
You, Mr. Chapel, were in law enforcement. Your skills needed to be based on gaining control of a person without doing any real damage (the kind that get badges taken away), yet affords the greatest amount of safety to the one applying it. Thus it would be logical that your training would need to center around the use of close contact grappling, or what you call control manipulation. It would also make use of those parts of a persons anatomy that would render a sure and quick result without pain (for a cop, pain compliance can go too far easily, and be seen as abusive) thus the exploration of nerves. Makes sense.
But really, your knowledge is not limited to this but it was in your best interest for you to emphasize these points.
Mr. Trejo was a masterful ring fighter! His knowledge of sport karate tactics and training is deep as I understand it. BUT again, his knowledge/skill is by no means limited to this. But it was his passion and gift and Mr. Parker used it.
Mr. Mills was a bouncer for years in some pretty rough places. He applied the art his instructor shared with him time and again, finding what did and didnt work or what worked, but what worked better. He gained a great deal of insight, with the help of his instructor Mr. Parker, into the whys of Kenpo and began to formulate ideas to improve effectiveness in Kenpo and Kenpoists. Mr. Mills other gift is also a natural physical and mental speed/power. Mr. Parker saw this in him and helped him develop this trait within himself and within his innovative ideas. By no means are these his only excellent traits, nor is his knowledge/skill limited to them, but it is what he is known for. Makes sense.
Look at Mr. Pick. His gift/passion seems to be along the lines of knife work. Thus, its what he is known for and what his instructor worked with him on.
Look at Mr. Hancock. A scholar, so Mr. Parker put his skills and abilities to good use.
The list goes on, to all that Mr. Parker had an effect on. That effect even extends beyond Kenpo too.
My point: I agree, Kenpo was taught differently to different people based on strengths and needs. He had insight into each person, found their particular flame and was the powder keg to make that flame a BLAZE.
Those are reasons we still love him, miss him and revere him. He brought the best out and amplified it!
Thats how I see it.
But I wasnt there.
Your Brother
John
Originally posted by Brother John
It seems to me that a great deal of Mr. Parkers genius lay along four different veins:
1. A creator and innovator.
2. Logical systemization and organization.
3. A master student of EVERYONE. (he learned from everyone)
4. An insightful powder keg!!!
Let me explain the last one.
Seems to me that, as others have said, Mr. Parker could really read a person and preferred to work with each persons strengths. If you look at what different people emphasize or are known for, then you will see Mr. Parkers influence in it.
FOR INSTANCE:
You, Mr. Chapel, were in law enforcement. Your skills needed to be based on gaining control of a person without doing any real damage (the kind that get badges taken away), yet affords the greatest amount of safety to the one applying it. Thus it would be logical that your training would need to center around the use of close contact grappling, or what you call control manipulation. It would also make use of those parts of a persons anatomy that would render a sure and quick result without pain (for a cop, pain compliance can go too far easily, and be seen as abusive) thus the exploration of nerves. Makes sense.
But really, your knowledge is not limited to this but it was in your best interest for you to emphasize these points.
Mr. Trejo was a masterful ring fighter! His knowledge of sport karate tactics and training is deep as I understand it. BUT again, his knowledge/skill is by no means limited to this. But it was his passion and gift and Mr. Parker used it.
Mr. Mills was a bouncer for years in some pretty rough places. He applied the art his instructor shared with him time and again, finding what did and didnt work or what worked, but what worked better. He gained a great deal of insight, with the help of his instructor Mr. Parker, into the whys of Kenpo and began to formulate ideas to improve effectiveness in Kenpo and Kenpoists. Mr. Mills other gift is also a natural physical and mental speed/power. Mr. Parker saw this in him and helped him develop this trait within himself and within his innovative ideas. By no means are these his only excellent traits, nor is his knowledge/skill limited to them, but it is what he is known for. Makes sense.
Look at Mr. Pick. His gift/passion seems to be along the lines of knife work. Thus, its what he is known for and what his instructor worked with him on.
Look at Mr. Hancock. A scholar, so Mr. Parker put his skills and abilities to good use.
The list goes on, to all that Mr. Parker had an effect on. That effect even extends beyond Kenpo too.
My point: I agree, Kenpo was taught differently to different people based on strengths and needs. He had insight into each person, found their particular flame and was the powder keg to make that flame a BLAZE.
Those are reasons we still love him, miss him and revere him. He brought the best out and amplified it!
Thats how I see it.
But I wasnt there.
Your Brother
John
Originally posted by Brother John
It seems to me that a great deal of Mr. Parkers genius lay along four different veins:
1. A creator and innovator.
2. Logical systemization and organization.
3. A master student of EVERYONE. (he learned from everyone)
4. An insightful powder keg!!!
Let me explain the last one.
Seems to me that, as others have said, Mr. Parker could really read a person and preferred to work with each persons strengths. If you look at what different people emphasize or are known for, then you will see Mr. Parkers influence in it.
FOR INSTANCE:
You, Mr. Chapel, were in law enforcement. Your skills needed to be based on gaining control of a person without doing any real damage (the kind that get badges taken away), yet affords the greatest amount of safety to the one applying it. Thus it would be logical that your training would need to center around the use of close contact grappling, or what you call control manipulation. It would also make use of those parts of a persons anatomy that would render a sure and quick result without pain (for a cop, pain compliance can go too far easily, and be seen as abusive) thus the exploration of nerves. Makes sense.
But really, your knowledge is not limited to this but it was in your best interest for you to emphasize these points.
Mr. Trejo was a masterful ring fighter! His knowledge of sport karate tactics and training is deep as I understand it. BUT again, his knowledge/skill is by no means limited to this. But it was his passion and gift and Mr. Parker used it.
Mr. Mills was a bouncer for years in some pretty rough places. He applied the art his instructor shared with him time and again, finding what did and didnt work or what worked, but what worked better. He gained a great deal of insight, with the help of his instructor Mr. Parker, into the whys of Kenpo and began to formulate ideas to improve effectiveness in Kenpo and Kenpoists. Mr. Mills other gift is also a natural physical and mental speed/power. Mr. Parker saw this in him and helped him develop this trait within himself and within his innovative ideas. By no means are these his only excellent traits, nor is his knowledge/skill limited to them, but it is what he is known for. Makes sense.
Look at Mr. Pick. His gift/passion seems to be along the lines of knife work. Thus, its what he is known for and what his instructor worked with him on.
Look at Mr. Hancock. A scholar, so Mr. Parker put his skills and abilities to good use.
The list goes on, to all that Mr. Parker had an effect on. That effect even extends beyond Kenpo too.
My point: I agree, Kenpo was taught differently to different people based on strengths and needs. He had insight into each person, found their particular flame and was the powder keg to make that flame a BLAZE.
Those are reasons we still love him, miss him and revere him. He brought the best out and amplified it!
Thats how I see it.
But I wasnt there.
Your Brother
John
Originally posted by Doc
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Originally posted by Doc
It is important however that I state that although Mr. Wedlake used the term "SubLevel Four" in the story, he is referring to "SL-4 information" he discussed the existence of in Kenpo with Mr. Parker. When we had a conversation about it at a camp in '97 in Baltimore, I supplied the name for that information. He is not implying that Ed Parker used that specific term. He did however tell me that in that discussion Mr. Parker had said to him, "Keep it (the exsistence) to yourself." as he had also told me as well when he was alive.
Originally from The American Heritage Dictionary of The English Language
secret (sê´krît) adjective
1.Kept hidden from knowledge or view; concealed.
2.Dependably discreet.
3.Operating in a hidden or confidential manner: a secret agent.
4.Not expressed; inward: their secret thoughts.
5.Not frequented; secluded: wandered about the secret byways of Paris.
6.Known or shared only by the initiated: secret rites.
7.Beyond ordinary understanding; mysterious.
8.Containing information, the unauthorized disclosure of which poses a grave threat to national security.
noun
1.Something kept hidden from others or known only to oneself or to a few.
2.Something that remains beyond understanding or explanation; a mystery.
3.A method or formula on which success is based: The secret of this dish is in the sauce.
4. Secret. A variable prayer said after the Offertory and before the Preface in the Mass.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin sêcrêtus, from past participle of sêcernere, to set aside : sê-, apart + cernere, to separate.]
Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Originally posted by Doc
Mr. Wedlake is a credible and honorable man who would not make the statement had Ed Parker not confirmed the existence of the information to him. He attributes me as the "expert" because I am the only one who has publicly promoted a non-motion based methodology that contains the information they discussed. This in no way is meant to imply I am the only one with that information, however I have exclusivity of the "SubLevel Four methodology" of the excution of certain information developed by me.
Originally posted by Doc
Although some have twisted my words, I do not nor have I ever claimed to know "secret" information from Ed Parker that was given only to me. I do not know personally who or what specifically he taught over the years to everyone or what terms he may have used with those people. ANYONE who makes such a claim cannot be taken seriously. I can say however I have never been contacted or found over the years in seminars and camps anyone who shared a similar understanding from their teaching or their teachers understanding with Mr. Parker. That still does not mean I am the only one Ed Parker taught. Mr. Parker taught many for their own personal use who didn't teach or have schools. Only they would know, and NO ONE else.
Originally posted by Doc
It is clear that Ed Parker promoted different methodologies of Kenpo over the years with different people. The validity and worth of these, including the newest, and most popular motion-based, is predicated on the quality of the instruction and the student. Everything begins with knowledgeable and quality instruction. Absent that, it doesn't matter what you teach or what you call it. Original, Roast, Baked or Extra Crispy. It's all chicken and everything else comes down to personal preferences.
Originally posted by jeffkyle
Excellent post Brother! Very very well said!
And what did that nail do to him?:rofl:Originally posted by cdhall
Amen. Somewhere out there is a nail with a splitting headache because Brother John hit is right on the head! Well done.
And what did that nail do to him?