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Question about Jo staff diameter/thickness
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I bought my crook cane from this place. They have bo staff. I have NO IDEA whether it is good or not. I can only say the 4 canes I bought, the grain is quite straight, they actually said they choose the grain to make the cane also. I wack each cane for a few minutes on my heavy bag and they survived.
I don't know anything about bo staffs, so read their description. I can only stand by their canes.
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I was going to write answer each thing you brought up. But instead I'm going to give you something to think about.
Why do people who know how to swing with proper technique don't have the same issues that you have?
I wish I could afford a copper pipe these days lol
Well, educate me how do you swing a heavy stick and recover fast.
Proper body mechanics and stances. Something you may actually have to be taught properly and corrected on in person.
I know about swinging in circle like from one shoulder to the other to complete a swing type of basic stuffs. I find a lot of the stick technique are for open space with nothing in the path of swing. This is not real world.
I would really like to know how to swing in more confined space with a heavy cane or stick. Like in real life situation where you have furniture, people in the way, that you cannot complete a circle of swing.
Aikido Jo
The Aikido Jo, along with the bokken and tanto, is one of three wooden weapons used in the practice of Aikido and staff kata. It has its origins in the Shindo Muso Ryu - a koryu or "old school" martial art. The Kingfisher jo is made in 1 inch or 15/16 inch diameter and various custom lengths.
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I have a hanbo from these guys... it is very nice, very strong and moves well in the hands. They do have some good links from this page to help determine the size. They have a lot of good information here...
I don't mind teaching you if you are serious about learning. It's not a one step process, there are drills you'll need to do to help build up your strength and get the right technique down. None of it's difficult. It's like everything else practice, practice practice. Technique is going to play a big role as well. All you need is something as long as a broom stick to swing. It's easier to learn big movements first then shrink the same movement down as needed.
Take note of how close they are when the staffs start to swing very fast. They are fighting close range, those are close range striking techniques. These techniques could be used with a Jo and some canes
How much space do you need? Not much. Grocery stores, department stores, Many fast food restaurants (McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's) have more than enough space. A lot of people get attacked in parking lots and side walks so those would zones would be maximum space.
You can see the similar strikes here but with the Jo
"You want to learn how to swing in more confined space" But I don't think it's that being of a deal since most businesses have more than enough space to swing and throw stuff. I would be more worried about people picking up a chair and trying to hit me with the chair. If furniture is around then someone will probably throw it at you. This lady threw the chair about 6 feet and almost hit the person on the left. He's wearing a dark shirt and white pants. It was an impressive throw as I thought that chair would have been heavier.
I don't know what type of environment you are in where it's that small, where there's no room to swing a cane. Most businesses have high ceilings to that makes vertical strikes possible.
Give me an example of a close space that you think you may find yourself in.
I could give you mine. I live in a trailer, and if I use my Jo in self defense it will most likely be there. i am drilling the 20 Suburi movements, and find that I cannot swing overhand, but have to use slow, purposeful movements to avoid hitting the ceiling or the fan.
To be fair, when the weather is good I train outdoors.
And to be even more fair, I drill with my cane indoors a bit, and the lower ceiling has not been an issue.
But I'm using a standard hickory cane; nothing extended length.
I have a 3 ft red oak dowel in my vehicle that is used as a hood prop. I'm thinking of buying a 4 ft oak dowel off of Amazon and lopping about 6 inches off of that; I think I would not miss those 6 inches, and it would be perfect for home defense.
In a standard home with standard ceiling height I think I'd have no issues utilizing a 4 ft Jo.
In your case if you think you are going use it there, then your best option will be jabs / stab with the Jo and fighting with the Jo with your hands in this position on the Jo. Those are you only option for confined spaces like that. Depending on how large your trailer is, you may have more room, but I'm assuming the worse case scenario in terms of size. Keep in mind, that this isn't a lesson. It's just some insight on what you may be dealing with in such a small space.
In this size. There's going to be a lot of stab like attacks similar to how you would try to stab someone with a spear. It will help but at this size I'm thinking smaller weapons and something with a blade. You would have to literally become really good at keeping the Jo between you and your attacker. You'll have to develop accuracy like crazy because you will be in trouble if they slip past the end of your Jo.
Accuracy drills are are going to be beneficial and my opinion a must because there is no blade at the end of a Jo. You can do some over head swings but now you are talking about grappling range at that point. As long as you can keep that end of these Jo where he can't get around it then that's your best bet.
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Here's a home owner who used a spear in a space smaller than this. It is so tight that there's no way to get around to attack from the side. No swinging is necessary and isn't the best option for such a tight space.
For me, at such a close range, I'm not thinking Jo. I would want to have some other options available for me. But if there are no other options then stabbing /jabbing strikes are what you are looking at in terms of being in small spaces like that. In such spaces there no need for big over head swings because it's simply is not the right place for that. Always remember to use the best strike for the right environment. If you have the accuracy to push the end of a Jo into the face of someone then it will only take a couple of jabs before they begin to have enough.
This is similar to what I'm talking about when things get into grappling range Take a note of the placement of his hands.
one more with the hand position
First technique in Jow Ga beginner staff form. This can be done with a cane or even an escrima stick. The concept is simple. Someone tries to take your weapon. The stick /cane/ staff is held low. this forces your attacker to reach downward and place his face within range of your weapon. The can can smash the teeth, under the nose or on the nose. There is no need to aim the attack because the technique makes it possible to land the strike.
This is seems boring, but it's one of the most important strikes for close range fighting and short staff fighting.
Someone gets too close? Smash them in their face,
Someone tries to tie up your arms? Smash them in the face or the ribs. If you are too soon it hits their face. If you are a little late then it will hit the ribs.
Someone tries to take your staff? Smash them in their face.
Someone throws a punch at you? Smash their punching hand with the same technique. The dropping of the stance helps to avoid the punch. The lifting of the stick pops the punch upward. Pushing the stick forward will either grind down the arm and hit the elbow or it will hit the ribs
Training this one motion over and over is boring. It will seem useless but as will develop the necessary power as you train it. Each week will make the strike stronger and you'll develop a really good comfort level in which you begin to see other opportunities after the strike.
This is seems boring, but it's one of the most important strikes for close range fighting and short staff fighting.
Someone gets too close? Smash them in their face,
Someone tries to tie up your arms? Smash them in the face or the ribs. If you are too soon it hits their face. If you are a little late then it will hit the ribs.
Someone tries to take your staff? Smash them in their face.
Someone throws a punch at you? Smash their punching hand with the same technique. The dropping of the stance helps to avoid the punch. The lifting of the stick pops the punch upward. Pushing the stick forward will either grind down the arm and hit the elbow or it will hit the ribs
Training this one motion over and over is boring. It will seem useless but as will develop the necessary power as you train it. Each week will make the strike stronger and you'll develop a really good comfort level in which you begin to see other opportunities after the strike.
When you hold your staff like this, you can use both ends to attack. This is why a staff is also called "2 heads snake".
1. A 45 degree downwad to the head with right end,
2. a 45 degree upward to the groin with left end,
3. a 45 degree downward to the head again with the left end,
4. release right hold, throw the 2/3 right end of the staff with left hold on top of your opponent's head (if he steps back),
can be a good 4 moves combo drill. Move 1,2,3 are short distance attacks (require less space). Move 4 is long distance attack.
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The upward swinging is a surprise attacking angle.
I agree with you that is a good combo to train. It's important to know what makes the strikes long and what makes the strikes short.
You must have a library of videosThe upward swinging is a surprise attacking angle.
