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mook jong man

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I don't know about the rest of you in the Wing Chun / Wing Tsun clan , but i get pretty sick of people who know nothing about it saying that we have no power in our strikes and we do " patty cake punches and slaps " .

Try as you might you cannot get it throught to these people that our power comes from our stance . This is a demo from my old school in the last bit you see Sigung standing on scales and a bloke is trying to push him over , they checked the scales when he first got on and he was 60 kg .

As the bloke is pushing , Sigung's weight is increasing because he is transferring the blokes weight down into his stance thus making his own structure stronger . As an aside i once asked Sifu Jim to do a double palm strike on me with no pad at very close range so i could see what it felt like , well it felt like i got hit by a truck and i asked him how much power did he just use on me and he said about 5 percent .

The point is we can generate a lot of power in Wing Chun / Wing Tsun it just takes longer to develop and because our force is not dependent on muscular strength we can keep on increasing our power well into very old age . ( Sigung is in his mid 70s now i believe )
 
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ive seen that video before and please dont misundertsand me when i say although there is a good display of power there,the one inch punch for example looked a lot better because of the compliant attitude of the one flying back through the air .

you can keep devloping you power over time ,but i believe there is no secret,the more relaxed you are the more power you generate.

to be honest ive never seen much dis winchun saying that it has no power etc you get the odd one or two,but you will always have your style questioned no matter what you do .
 
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The dude could have been playing it up for the crowd a bit , but my master has also done it on big guys that walked in off the street and were sceptical so we get the old phone book out and they hold it on their chest and boom away they go .

He also did it on me a number of times and i am more solid than the guy in the video and definitely not compliant , it is something that has to be felt to be believed . In fact i am the complete opposite of compliant , i am a real cheeky bastard .

There was this one time he was doing chi sao with me and i thought just for the hell of it i was going to move him around a bit and i started shoving him back a little bit . He put up with it for about 2 times and on the 3rd time he trapped me so fast he nearly broke my hand , served me right for trying to be a smart **** .
 

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The power is not solely dependant on the stance though. Certainly if you know how to use it, stancework can improve your power massively. But there are times when someone picks you up into the air (think bouncers carrying you out of a bar for example!) - the wing chun strike is still very powerful despite having no stance in those kind of situations

We did a huge seminar with Master Kevin Chan where he demonstrated the different strikes, using both good stancework and in those situations where stancework isn't possible

We currently have an explosive power DVD for sale through the Kamon website if anyone is interested
 
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Good point i didn't think of that , if your up in the air you have to rely more on the acceleration of your strike because your not connected to the ground .
 

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A firm (adduction) stance is important....understanding borrowing is even more important...drills are important,understanding the turnstile effect? can anyone here tell me? If you understand Wing Tsun?....pop quiz....I call it riding the Lightining.............works for me....
 
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Mook Jong Man you are totally right about power. When I first started Wing Chun Punching in the air. I was always thinking how can I hurt someone with these punches. At first I lack power. But over time practicing thousands of punches, Sil Lim Tao, Stance work and plum flower Steps. Along with some Chi Kung Exercises and Strenght Exercises My hands and arms started to feel harder. My Chest started to feel like a rock. Everytime I practice my body would heat significantly and become as hard as rock. Going to sleep right after was not an option. I had to wait about an hour or so for my body to soften. But Over the years of endless Practice I beging to increase in power. Now I can totally feel the power being generating through my arms and out my fist. I can tell how much I am throwing out. But before when i first started. I could throw my all. I mean my full force. An felt like a feather. I mean No damage at all.


A friend of mines who I am training Was listening to my hand strokes doing chain punches and chain punches. One day he said Aww, It sounds just as it does in Kung Fu Movies. We Kinda of Laugh but I shared with him thats from many years of doing: Push Ups,Sit ups,Pull ups, Wrist rollers,rotatin bricks, rolling and pushing out the metal pipe, practicing thousand punches in Air,Sparring and doing sil lim tao.

Also we went to a mutal friends house from high school. This guy had a punching bag. It was light as feather. It weighed like 65lbs. Everytime I punched with real force that sucker went flying. If it wasn't for the wall The bag would probably had hit the roof. I told my Friend If he decides to get a punching bag please get atleast 100lbs. But a 200lbs to 400lb heavy bag is better. For one you want to throw kicks and punches. If you can send a 300lbs punching bag flying after a year of hitting it imagine what you would do someone on street. I also told him to invest in Wall Bag. Start with Sand then go up to gravel or rocks. After awhile of hitting rocks he should use steel shots. Everytime you hit that bag against a non-movable object you are training your Chi to cycle your force through your opponent. This is real good way to increase power generation!


Kamon Guy Excellent point about the power doesn't just come from your stance.

Actually In Wing Chun we train to use whole body power. That means more than just moving in your stance while punching.

Power is generating from much more than just your stance.

Power Generation comes from:
1.Your Waist
2.Breath
3.Shoulders-Elbow-Wrist Fist
4.Chest
5.Feet-ankle-knees-hips

If someone has you off the ground. Needless to say you can not generate power from your feet-ankles-knees-Hips. But lets say the bouncer has you by the hips. You can still generate power from his body using your hips and Waist as root, Travel the power generated from your foes body to your chest up to your shoulders, Elbows, Wrist, knuckles to his face. You learn how to generate power from just arm power by doing push ups,sit ups, pull ups and bench pressing. The stronger your arms are the more power you can generate with the addition of whole body power. But sometimes you can only use arm strenght.

Thats why sometimes I practice doing punches on back. Another exercise to do is to take some little silver balls you get from a chinese shop an practice punching on your knees,sitting in full lotus posistion and laying on your back.

You could also use free weights start off light like ten pounds. When you can throw hundred punches then move up to twenty pounds etc. Do a hundred punches on your back, kneeling and in a lotus or indian style.

This will increase just your arm power for when your in posistion but can not get full body power like someone is trying to mount you or wrestle you down. If you can build up tremedous power in punching from a ground posistion then just think how powerful your punches will be when your standing!




I don't know about the rest of you in the Wing Chun / Wing Tsun clan , but i get pretty sick of people who know nothing about it saying that we have no power in our strikes and we do " patty cake punches and slaps " .

Try as you might you cannot get it throught to these people that our power comes from our stance . This is a demo from my old school in the last bit you see Sigung standing on scales and a bloke is trying to push him over , they checked the scales when he first got on and he was 60 kg .

As the bloke is pushing , Sigung's weight is increasing because he is transferring the blokes weight down into his stance thus making his own structure stronger . As an aside i once asked Sifu Jim to do a double palm strike on me with no pad at very close range so i could see what it felt like , well it felt like i got hit by a truck and i asked him how much power did he just use on me and he said about 5 percent .

The point is we can generate a lot of power in Wing Chun / Wing Tsun it just takes longer to develop and because our force is not dependent on muscular strength we can keep on increasing our power well into very old age . ( Sigung is in his mid 70s now i believe )
 
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