- Jul 9, 2008
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- Covington, WA
How much experience do you have dealing with angry people in general? In person or on a phone? how much training do you have on de-escalation? I mean, formal training, but you can share informal training, too.There's a big difference between angry people on the phone and angry people in person. No one trains self-defense by going to call center training.
I get the feeling he's glazed over the last two pages of mma vs. tma arguing that's going on, if he's still reading at all. Especially since he didn't ask about an MMA school or any kung-fu/yoga based tma schools.In other news, I hope the OP comes back. Interested to hear where he's headed.
Food services don't learn de-escalation like you think they do.People who work in government, in 800 number call centers, in food service, as flight attendants... now THOSE people are learning real world deescalation skills, and I would bet that many have excellent training on the topic.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Majority of TMA schools don't think of themselves as "A place to learn to fight."What I would suggest is that if you stop thinking of martial arts schools as "self defense" schools, and instead think of them as what they are (a place to learn to fight), then you start to think of self defense in a much more constructive manner.
Go to a TMA school and ask the school about the things they teach. It will not be the same answer that an MMA school gives. You can visit websites and you'll see that the focus is different. There will be some things that are similar but the focus isn't.This idea that TMA has a monopoly on it is silly.
It's not arbitrary. Maybe that's something important to the OPSo, the metric you're using now is longevity? That seems arbitrary.
Fair enough. I noticed he last logged on Sunday, so I don't think he's actually seen any of the MMA vs TMA stuff. But I hear your point.I get the feeling he's glazed over the last two pages of mma vs. tma arguing that's going on, if he's still reading at all. Especially since he didn't ask about an MMA school or any kung-fu/yoga based tma schools.
It actually bugs me to think he or anyone else might take anything you wrote in this thread seriously.Food services don't learn de-escalation like you think they do.
800 Call centers don't learn de-escalation like you think they do.
This is your fligt attendants learning self-defense
Looks like a lot of what many TMA classes do, which is to teach self-defense to people who aren't interested in fighting competitions.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Majority of TMA schools don't think of themselves as "A place to learn to fight."
Out of the two of us only one of us got kicked out of a Martial Arts schools because "they focused too much on fighting." and it wasn't you.
As much as I enjoy fighting and using Kung Fu. I would never and have never positioned my training, the school that I taught at, the students, nor my son to think of Kung Fu as only being about fighting. I feel sorry for those who go to a Kung Fu school and the only thing they learn and get out of it is "How to fight." That's such a shallow experience.
Go to a TMA school and ask the school about the things they teach. It will not be the same answer that an MMA school gives. You can visit websites and you'll see that the focus is different. There will be some things that are similar but the focus isn't.
What I'm saying isn't my belief. It's clearly stated an demonstrated by TMA school and MMA gyms.
It's not arbitrary. Maybe that's something important to the OP
Ha ha ha. nope. Topics like that have a 9 page requirement before calling it a day.I like you both. What I can see from reading this is that neither of you guys are very skilled at de escalating your own TMA vs MMA argument. I know because I am as guilty as anyone could be of this.
I can’t think of any reason an MMA coach couldn’t be as spiritual in their approach as a TMA instructor.Name one spiritual benefit from MMA. I'm not talking about something spiritual that someone brings with them to MMA. I'm talking about something spiritual that is taught in MMA. What is the spiritual teaching that MMA brings to the world.?
I’d be less concerned about a school habit a strong competition focus (unless that competition is very far removed from fighting) than it having no resistance in training. There are methods that can develop fighting skill without much resistance, but it’s likely inconsistent, and you don’t have a good way to judge your own abilities. MMA training is better for self defense prep than a lot of current TMA, because their competition is actual fighting.Any hand-to-hand combat system (martial art) is good as long as you learn how to fight (engage your attacker). I would stay away from the schools that only teach according to the rules for competition unless you're going that route. One way to tell if the school is into sport vs defense training is seeing how students target each other during sparring (they fight how they are trained). If they only target the "legal" zones, you may not want to train with them. On the other hand, if a school teaches kicking to the knee or targeting areas that would get you disqualified in a tourney, you may be on the right track.
That's one opinion.Sorry, but that was not a helpful answer. If you plan to fight MMA guys, go to an MMA school. If you want to learn real-life self-defense, the kind you would normally need outside of a competitive ring, any of those karate or Tang Soo Do schools would be fine if the teacher is good, although you should go to each one and watch a class with adults to see how they behave and the kinds of skill you see. Having a good attitude and not too egotistical is important, too. No Cobra Kai stuff. Most of us don't get into physical fights as adults because we are smart. You don't need MMA to be good at self-defense, although it helps to be open to all styles.
Define spiritual. If you mean religious mumbo jumbo no, you won't find it. If you mean that trandecendant feeling of being in 'the zone' / one with your body/ connected to everything, you'll get that from rolling and sparring as much as any amount of air kataName one spiritual benefit from MMA. I'm not talking about something spiritual that someone brings with them to MMA. I'm talking about something spiritual that is taught in MMA. What is the spiritual teaching that MMA brings to the world.?
That's not what I'm saying. Steve gets stuff twisted when I say things.
That's not what I'm saying. What you are saying is where a person brings their own religion and spiritual beliefs to MMA.
That depends on the coach, watch interviews with Erik Paulson, he’s very spiritual as is Guru Dan Inosanto supposedly, Silat, Kali, Muay Thai do have spiritual aspects to them.