Yari said:Yes I do agree,
I havn't found a Aikido school that does defence against a kick.
I've heard some teachers say that kicking is primative, but having that attitude doesn't help against people who kick.
But that's not what I would like to discuss, I would just like to hear from different people why there are no kicks in Aikido.
Have ya taken a good look at some of the "apes" hanging around town these days? You just can't see the opposable big toe 'cause of the shoes. :uhyeah:MisterMike said:Perhaps I misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking why there were no kicks used to defend yourself.
As for defending against kick attacks, I have seen this but not as frequently as punch attacks. The reason you see more hand attacks is because most people can grab with their hands and not their feet, (unless they are some sort of primate).
But most Aikido techniques taught require you to grab their hand/wrist to execute the throws, not the foot/ankle. Doesn't mean you can't do Irimi against a kick though. Guess it depends on the school/teacher.
Yari said:In most of the styles of Aikido I've seen, there are no kicks.
Any ideas to why?
Nope, he wasn't kidding, but, knowing Yari, he was simply asking what our opinions were as to why this isn't taught as part of the curriculum. I do agree that it is usually considered the responsibility of the practitioner to research these things on his own, or to have studied another art before aikido. I've heard it said that to truly appreciate aikido that it is important that it be a second art. I know that this is true in my case. There are many subtleties that I would have missed altogether or not gotten until much later in my training had I not trained in another style beforehand. I mix styles all the time during multiple attacker drills and it works well. I'd also have to agree with you that the idea that aikido is a soft and gentle art is getting rather old. However, I'm of the opinion that should someone realize that I study aikido and choose to believe that that makes me less able to defend myself then so be it. Underestimate me all you want...it just makes my job that much easier.babaker said:You are kidding, right?
Any opening that comes up can allow an insertion of kicks, punches, strikes of any type you have a mind to add, but MOST aikido schools don't teach this. It is almost an unwritten law that one do that research and training either before taking aikido or for oneself outside of aikido class.
A kick is the first thing a Ni-dan or san-dan does when an opening appears, I know because I have left an opening just to see if they would take the bait, and they do ... again, and again, and again.
Don't listen to people who say you can't mix martial arts, because all people mix techniques even if they are modified or taylored to fit the timing and style of another martial art.
I really wish this stupid test would catch fire and set the the pants on fire of those who still tell these lies that certain arts are either non-violent, or can't be adapted and changed. It is getting old ...
MisterMike said:For a brief discussion on kicks in Aikido, see "Best Aikido" by Moriteru Ueshiba.
One point mentions that to kick goes against having a unified center with the earth. To do this, you need both feet on the ground.
But there are certainly techniques for use with a kicking opponent.
theletch1 said:Yari, Nihon Goshin has basic front and side kicks but no high kicks or spinning type kicks. ]
I used to study Nihon Goshin Aikido, it is an excellant style I am a green belt (the first rank to learn kicking defenses) these are very effective!!! as for the spinning and high kicks we do practice them often (my Sensei was a blackbelt in ishonryu(?) Karate before he studied Aikido. I am still with the same Sensei (Jerry Phelps) he has started his own style, it is called Nihon Goshinjutsu Aikido. It is all the Nihon Goshin Aikido with alot of Juijitsu(?) sorry for all the bad spelling!!!! You can check it out at Aikidobuff.com.
Most styles do. As JAS stated Nihon Goshin does at green belt level and above although many students will experiment with defenses at lower levels on their own. I have a kenpo back ground so I have been known to use some old kenpo defenses in a line. My classmates know my history so they will throw a kick out there now and then just to see my reaction. I really enjoy taking a kenpo tech/defense and transitioning into an aikido technique.buddah_belly said:We do.
Yari, pack up the family and move to the states! :uhyeah: We've always got room for one more crash test dummy, er I mean, aikido-ka at the dojo.Yari said:I'd love to try practicing your style, Jeff.
ditto and I only have about 5 mths ish of formal aikido myself, but remember that any jutsu is based on "submission" philosophy which a kick hardly conforms to. Still wouldn't be without my feet but I also value my little ninjutsu training ( and am about to get back into it with a haatsumi bujinkan branch) and wondered the same thing about that. They are both from the same base system ( if chinese origin doesn't count) and when it hit Japan, was omitted or downplayed for a reason. .......... just as wing chun has only 4 kicks( ???) but that 's a whole new thread.theletch1 said:I mix styles all the time during multiple attacker drills .