National Push Hand Champion vs Random Person

[QuantumKitty]

Here's an Fixed-Step Push Hand exchange between Yang Jwing Ming's disciple (left) and some random person who does Chen Style (right) with zero experience in push hand competition format.

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

Here's an Fixed-Step Push Hand exchange between Yang Jwing Ming's disciple (left) and some random person who does Chen Style (right) with zero experience in push hand competition format.

Here's an Fixed-Step Push Hand exchange between Yang Jwing Ming's disciple (left) and some random person who does Chen Style (right) with zero experience in push hand competition format.

neither one is very impressive.

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

Neither of them are impressive.

 

[QuantumKitty]

Neither of them are impressive.

I agree, but it does seem to reveal how low level Push Hand competition scene tend to be if this is an example a national champion.

 

[Xue Sheng100]

Here's an Fixed-Step Push Hand exchange between Yang Jwing Ming's disciple (left) and some random person who does Chen Style (right) with zero experience in push hand competition format.

Interesting, i might know the YMAA guy. What year was that, do you know?

 

[Xue Sheng100]

Also, the traditional Yang I learned is very different, and more dynamic. And my little bit if traditional Chen was ultimately painful.

 

[Themantis007]

Here's an Fixed-Step Push Hand exchange between Yang Jwing Ming's disciple (left) and some random person who does Chen Style (right) with zero experience in push hand competition format.

Yang wing ming student are taught by a student of a guy that we developed through fighting he moved there. No champion. My shrfu has most gold medals in push hands in world. So I doubt this is world championship.

 

[QuantumKitty]

Yang wing ming student are taught by a student of a guy that we developed through fighting he moved there. No champion. My shrfu has most gold medals in push hands in world. So I doubt this is world championship.

Oh, correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that Yang Jwing Ming's students didn't learn their Push Hands from Yang Jwing Ming himself but from someone else?

 

[Xue Sheng100]

Oh, correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that Yang Jwing Ming's students didn't learn their Push Hands from Yang Jwing Ming himself but from someone else?

If the guy in the video is who i think he is, he most certainly learned from Yang Jwing Ming in Boston. But these days many do not, they learn from those that did learn from Dr Yang

 

[QuantumKitty]

If the guy in the video is who i think he is, he most certainly learned from Yang Jwing Ming in Boston. But these days many do not, they learn from those that did learn from Dr Yang

I think it is who you think it is.

I don't know much about how YMAA's ranking structure works, but I think he's among the highest ranking instructor.

 

[windwalker099106]

I agree, but it does seem to reveal how low level Push Hand competition scene tend to be if this is an example a national champion.

How does “high” level look ?
Examples for comparison would interesting

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

I think it is who you think it is.

I don't know much about how YMAA's ranking structure works, but I think he's among the highest ranking instructor.

I can promise you that Dr Yang doesn’t resemble that when he touches hands.

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

I think it is who you think it is.

I don't know much about how YMAA's ranking structure works, but I think he's among the highest ranking instructor.

There are a number of instructors in YMAA, they vary in ability, and not all of them have anything to do with Dr Yang personally.

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

I agree, but it does seem to reveal how low level Push Hand competition scene tend to be if this is an example a national champion.

Push hands competition scene doesn’t hold much meaning to me in any case, regardless of trophies or medals.

 

[QuantumKitty]

How does “high” level look ?
Examples for comparison would interesting

That's a good question.

It could also be that the rules makes the portrayal seem "not impressive" because so many things are just illegal in this paradigm.

But if this is an example of someone who has repeatedly won titles and "gold medals" at places like Kou Shu Gou Shu National Competitions, "high" level must be pretty hard to find because presumably the competitors who didn't won medals would be worse.

Statistically speaking, if this is "not impressive", what does that say about the other competitors?

It seems we are left with two choices here where either this video is showing something "high level" or there isn't much "high level" in the competitive Push Hand scene.

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

That's a good question.

It could also be that the rules makes the portrayal seem "not impressive" because so many things are just illegal in this paradigm.

But if this is an example of someone who has repeatedly won titles and "gold medals" at places like Kou Shu Gou Shu National Competitions, "high" level must be pretty hard to find because presumably the competitors who didn't won medals would be worse.

Statistically speaking, if this is "not impressive", what does that say about the other competitors?

It seems we are left with two choices here where either this video is showing something "high level" or there isn't much "high level" in the competitive Push Hand scene.

Or, in the end, the only people this really matters to are the participants. Personally, I could not care less who the push hands champion of the world is.

 

[drop bear107]

Let me guess. If a guy just got really strong he would beat a bunch of guys who have focused on technique.

 

[QuantumKitty]

Let me guess. If a guy just got really strong he would beat a bunch of guys who have focused on technique.

I'm a bit confused how this relates to this thread.

It does not appear to me there was much strength used in the video.

 

[Wing Woo Gar41]

Let me guess. If a guy just got really strong he would beat a bunch of guys who have focused on technique.

Strength won’t matter much unless they know how to not use it.

 

[windwalker099106]

Let me guess. If a guy just got really strong he would beat a bunch of guys who have focused on technique.

I’ve worked with people who compete regularly in Taiwan’s push-hands events a couple of yrs back..

Not a fan of competition myself — understand why some train for it.
They train hard, very hard. Anyone who thinks it’s just “soft Taiji” should try stepping in with them.

There are stories of strong fighters being surprised when facing skilled practitioners —

" One year, a member of Gracie’s family from Brazil visited the park. Respect was exchanged between the two parties and the agreement on the rules were made. After three short rounds of free style pushing, Gracie went home with dirt on his back."

8th World Cup Tai Chi Championship

An interesting clip shot by a friend of mine who competed in another division