isshinryuronin
Senior Master
I think I'm safe since I don't even know what "GPT" means.
Narrative vs. Authenticity
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This statement isn’t accurate, and I’m not sure if it’s a language issue or if you didn’t watch the full video. My personal thought is that you’re simply against Ai. You against Ai has been your narrative ever since you stated it steped on your image of "Martial Arts Lineage."
You remind me of the early resistance to computers and automation. Back then, people cited studies claiming computers would make us dumber. But history showed the opposite: those who learned to use the tool became smarter, more capable, and more competitive. Their intelligence grew. It didn't decline. You want to blame something for Cognitive Debt? Then I would focus more on
1. Smartphones
2. Reality Shows:
Blame Jerry Springer. He started that nightmare.
A computer is a tool. Ai is a tool. And Human knowledge and expertise is still needed to be effective with that tool,
I tell people all the time. Ai enhances your intelligence. If a person is "dumb" then it's not going to do much enhancement of that person's intelligence.
Ai enhances what you bring to the table. You still have to have the knowledge in order to create the context in which Ai will use. You still have to follow up with Ai just in case it says tomething incorrect or just in case it takes something out of context.
I'm pretty sure it didn't take isshinryuronin much effort to see the flaws in fighting that your first Ai video has. I would be surprised if any what he saw in that video would be considered a threat.
You complain about Ai but not about this?
Oh by the way .. use CoPilot
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Appledog
Blue Belt
"I would be surprised if any what he saw in that video would be considered a threat."
So would I. It's not a problem now, but it will be.
One of the interesting ways this works out in practice is that you can no longer just say "This statement isn’t accurate," or "My personal thought is that you’re simply against Ai." because you might be a bot trying to discredit people who can see the problem. Now, I checked your profile, you're a MT mentor, lots of trophies, etc. and I seem to recall you have some good amount of credibility from reading your other threads. You're well-known around here. So you are probably a human being. You've been around since before the problem.
But soon, very soon, that won't be enough. Once AI gets a little better and the haroonkhan345s of the world have been around for a couple of years and have better engagement metrics than you do, it's over.
If I said I was a Tai Chi master, would you believe me? It's not so easy to look these things up for the purpose of determining whether or not someone is trying to be authentic or whether they are trying to get you to sign up for a reiki course. Already, dating sites like Tinder are getting mass-spammed with AI profiles that engage users, build trust, and then try to get them to download a videogame. So you see, this is not a problem "now" -- except that it is -- but in the future it will be, without question, because the system is not designed to differentiate authenticity in this way.
What you will see in short order is some type of "blue checkmark". The rise of "blue checkmark" companies which verify your identity as a real human being. Kind of like HTTPS but for people.
So would I. It's not a problem now, but it will be.
One of the interesting ways this works out in practice is that you can no longer just say "This statement isn’t accurate," or "My personal thought is that you’re simply against Ai." because you might be a bot trying to discredit people who can see the problem. Now, I checked your profile, you're a MT mentor, lots of trophies, etc. and I seem to recall you have some good amount of credibility from reading your other threads. You're well-known around here. So you are probably a human being. You've been around since before the problem.
But soon, very soon, that won't be enough. Once AI gets a little better and the haroonkhan345s of the world have been around for a couple of years and have better engagement metrics than you do, it's over.
If I said I was a Tai Chi master, would you believe me? It's not so easy to look these things up for the purpose of determining whether or not someone is trying to be authentic or whether they are trying to get you to sign up for a reiki course. Already, dating sites like Tinder are getting mass-spammed with AI profiles that engage users, build trust, and then try to get them to download a videogame. So you see, this is not a problem "now" -- except that it is -- but in the future it will be, without question, because the system is not designed to differentiate authenticity in this way.
What you will see in short order is some type of "blue checkmark". The rise of "blue checkmark" companies which verify your identity as a real human being. Kind of like HTTPS but for people.
Chat GPT = Garbage Pushes Trash lol.
Ok that's my bias and my personal thoughts about Chat GPT. The day chat GPT told me that I patted myself on the back was the day I would never return to it, unless I needed to make a picture of something.
Chat GPT at the time couldn't tell the difference when someone is proud of what they accomplished vs a "Pat on the back." So earning a black belt and then talking about how do did hard work to earn it, was the same as someone bragging and patting themselves on the back.
I'm glad I didn't use it especially after they made some users' conversations searchable. They have removed that feature, but my mindset is more like "Why would they have that in the first place" It wasn't a bug. It was a feature.
Those who train and spar don't get confused like that.
You train martial arts right? How easily do you pick up the fakes?
"ha ha ha are you serious. I make a poor chatbot. "
My creditability only comes from one place. I'm not credible because of what I say. I'm credible because of what I do and what I've done. I used to post a lot of videos.
Does reading about surgery without ever performing it make someone a surgeon? Or does expertise require lived experience?”
You will never hear me speak of history or lineage unless it's tied to function.
Ai would still miss the important parts because it lacks the "lived experiences." It only understands the world through the eyes of a spectator.
That's not a challenge for me. It never has been. To be honest, if you told me that you are a Tai Chi Master then I would by default ignore that you even said that. I would care more about what your students can do from your teaching then what you can do or what you can do or what you call yourself.
I don't use Tinder or dating sites. If wanted to find a woman to date then I would go out and do the activities that I enjoy doing and join groups that like doing the same thing. I wouldn't use Facebook nor would I use Tinder. It's one thing to become friends online and then have that turn into something else. It's something totally different to Look for Romance online. I just wouldn't do it.
The problem isn't Ai. The problem is the expectation that a social platform should be something that it's not. Accept that platform for what it is. If you want to meet someone special then get out and meet people in person. If you want to make friends online, then fine. If you want to find love online then I don't recommend it. Why? Because crooks already know what you want and how to use that against you.
I don't have this problem with other people because I don't hang out in environment. If I want to find someone beautiful then I'm going to the gym.
I guess I'm just an Old man. but for me it's simple. If online is full of fake people then start meeting people offline.
By the way. I'm the worst bot in the world. I make typos like crazy.
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
Grandma kung fu master would put me to shame in a fashion competition. Great outfit! Very sharp. Us traditional karate guys are stuck with simple white cotton.
Better than Jow Ga students. we only have t-shirts and sweat pants.
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
Pre-WWII the Okinawans wore shorts and tank tops. Before that, loin cloths! But those guys were lean, mean fighting machines and had nothing to hide. To be fair, it's very hot and humid in the summertime there so it made sense, until the Japanese made them dress in "proper" attire so they had something to tie their belts around. They say fashion trends repeat every few decades - I'm ready
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AI still need to get information from the database that human being created. If the human being hasn't put a certain information into that database, AI will not be able to know.
I just ask AI the following question. From AI's answer, AI has no knowledge about what "leg twisting" is. AI's answer "twisting their body to off-balance" is different from the correct answer "twisting their knee joint to off-balance".
The whole "outer leg twisting" doesn't require to twist opponent's body but to twist the knee only.
What is Shuai Jiao "outer leg twisting"?
In Shuai Jiao, the traditional Chinese wrestling art, the term "outer leg twisting" refers to a type of throw or takedown that involves hooking or manipulating the opponent’s outer leg while simultaneously twisting their body to off-balance and bring them to the ground.
I just ask AI the following question. From AI's answer, AI has no knowledge about what "leg twisting" is. AI's answer "twisting their body to off-balance" is different from the correct answer "twisting their knee joint to off-balance".
The whole "outer leg twisting" doesn't require to twist opponent's body but to twist the knee only.
What is Shuai Jiao "outer leg twisting"?
In Shuai Jiao, the traditional Chinese wrestling art, the term "outer leg twisting" refers to a type of throw or takedown that involves hooking or manipulating the opponent’s outer leg while simultaneously twisting their body to off-balance and bring them to the ground.
Right. The highest level coaches'/fighters’ fighting knowledge should be input into AI knowledge base. But, many coaches and fighters don't reveal info (e.g., strategies) to the public/opponents. There are principles and physics between two fighters in a fight that AI should also understand.
Currently, AI can beat humans in chess but not MMA. Per AI:
"It is accurate that AI has achieved superhuman performance in games like chess, Go, and poker, according to New Scientist. For instance, IBM's Deep Blue defeated world chess champion Garry Kasparov in 1997. In 2017, Google's DeepMind developed AlphaZero, an AI that taught itself chess in four hours and beat the strongest chess engine at the time, Stockfish 8. AlphaZero achieved this despite having a slower evaluation process and not learning from human games, developing novel strategies in the process.
However, the notion of AI beating humans in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) is vastly different due to the fundamental differences between the two domains. Here's a comparison:
| Feature | Chess | Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) |
| Nature of the game | Strategic, turn-based, fixed rules, perfect information | Dynamic, real-time, physical, incomplete information |
| Environment | Controlled, digital, predictable | Unpredictable, real-world, physical interactions |
| Key skills | Calculation, pattern recognition, strategic planning, optimization | Physical strength, speed, reflexes, technique, adaptability, emotional intelligence, resilience, pain tolerance, ability to perform under pressure |
| AI approach | Algorithms, reinforcement learning, tree search | Data analysis, predictive modeling, simulations, training assistance |
| AI capability | Outperforms humans significantly | Can assist with analysis, training, and strategy, but cannot physically compete |
AI excels in chess because the game is highly structured and can be precisely modeled computationally. AI systems can explore vast numbers of possible moves and outcomes, leading to optimal strategies. In contrast, MMA involves real-time physical interaction with an opponent who can react and adapt unpredictably. The physical aspects, like strength, endurance, and pain tolerance, are beyond AI's current capabilities.
While AI can be used to analyze fight data, simulate matches, and assist in training, it cannot yet perform the physical actions of fighting. For example, AI can analyze vast amounts of fight footage to identify patterns and develop strategies, according to MMASucka. This is being used by some MMA camps to create more refined game plans based on an opponent's tendencies, techniques, and physical profile. However, the actual execution of these strategies in the unpredictable physical environment of an MMA fight remains a distinctly human domain."
Right, it’s general misinformation, not specific nor high level understanding of fighting.
A better question to ask ChatGPT:
"You said:
how do i execute shuai jiao front cut in a self defense without getting countered?
ChatGPT said:
Great question. Executing the Shuai Jiao front cut (Qian Gua / 前挂) in a self-defense situation adds layers of complexity because:
- There's no gi/jacket to grip.
- The attacker may be striking wildly or unpredictably.
- You must avoid getting countered, hurt, or entangled on the ground.
STEP-BY-STEP: Shuai Jiao Front Cut for Self-Defense
1. Disrupt Their Balance or Intention First- Use a strike, shove, or verbal command to momentarily interrupt their mental and physical rhythm.
- If they’re aggressive, cover up and enter on an angle, not straight in — control their arms or posture.
2. Establish Upper Body Control (Clinching Smart) - Use an underhook + head control, or two-on-one arm control, or grab behind their elbow/neck.
- If they’re punching, bridge in with elbows tight, clinch inside their strikes (like a crash).
3. Set the Trap: Front Leg Positioning - Step your lead leg inside their stance, across the front of their lead leg.
- Your instep hooks behind and inside their shin or ankle.
- The foot should make a “J” shape — up, around, and out — like a scythe.
4. Break Balance & Cut Simultaneously - Pull their upper body forward and slightly across (toward their trapped leg).
- As you do this, cut their leg out from under them by hooking and lifting outward.
- Stay upright and centered—don't lean forward or you'll fall too.
5. Stay Standing – Don't Follow Down - In self-defense, don’t go to the ground unless you absolutely must.
- Let them fall while you step back, reset posture, and scan for other threats.
HOW TO AVOID BEING COUNTERED| Risk | Countermeasure |
| Strikes while entering | Use a tight guard, enter off-angle, cover the hands/arms before clinching. |
| Getting clinched or reversed | Maintain inside control (underhooks > overhooks), strong core posture, control the neck or elbow. |
| Falling with them | Keep your hips back and posture upright. Do not commit weight into the sweep. |
| Multiple attackers | Sweep and disengage quickly. Don’t ground-fight unless there’s no choice. |
PRINCIPLES TO REMEMBER - Balance before throw: If they’re not off-balance, don’t commit.
- Control limbs: Always clinch or check their arms before attempting the throw.
- Don't chase: If they backpedal or resist too strongly, reset — don’t force the technique.
- Awareness: After the throw, create distance immediately.
BONUS: Entry Ideas- From a shove or punch: Slip or cover, clinch up, execute the cut.
- From a lapel grab or front choke: Break the grip, off-balance them forward, front cut.
- From a wrist grab: Circle the grip off, pull them into you, clinch, front cut."
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And this is where that expertise come in place because at this moment, I don't know what Ai is talking about because I don't know how to do what the technique that Kung Fu Wang asked. Ai also doesn't know how to do it.Right. The highest level coaches'/fighters’ fighting knowledge should be input into AI knowledge base. But, many coaches and fighters don't reveal info (e.g., strategies) to the public/opponents. There are principles and physics between two fighters in a fight that AI should also understand.
Currently, AI can beat humans in chess but not MMA. Per AI:
"It is accurate that AI has achieved superhuman performance in games like chess, Go, and poker, according to New Scientist. For instance, IBM's Deep Blue defeated world chess champion Garry Kasparov in 1997. In 2017, Google's DeepMind developed AlphaZero, an AI that taught itself chess in four hours and beat the strongest chess engine at the time, Stockfish 8. AlphaZero achieved this despite having a slower evaluation process and not learning from human games, developing novel strategies in the process.
However, the notion of AI beating humans in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) is vastly different due to the fundamental differences between the two domains. Here's a comparison:
Feature Chess Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) Nature of the game Strategic, turn-based, fixed rules, perfect information Dynamic, real-time, physical, incomplete information Environment Controlled, digital, predictable Unpredictable, real-world, physical interactions Key skills Calculation, pattern recognition, strategic planning, optimization Physical strength, speed, reflexes, technique, adaptability, emotional intelligence, resilience, pain tolerance, ability to perform under pressure AI approach Algorithms, reinforcement learning, tree search Data analysis, predictive modeling, simulations, training assistance AI capability Outperforms humans significantly Can assist with analysis, training, and strategy, but cannot physically compete
AI excels in chess because the game is highly structured and can be precisely modeled computationally. AI systems can explore vast numbers of possible moves and outcomes, leading to optimal strategies. In contrast, MMA involves real-time physical interaction with an opponent who can react and adapt unpredictably. The physical aspects, like strength, endurance, and pain tolerance, are beyond AI's current capabilities.
While AI can be used to analyze fight data, simulate matches, and assist in training, it cannot yet perform the physical actions of fighting. For example, AI can analyze vast amounts of fight footage to identify patterns and develop strategies, according to MMASucka. This is being used by some MMA camps to create more refined game plans based on an opponent's tendencies, techniques, and physical profile. However, the actual execution of these strategies in the unpredictable physical environment of an MMA fight remains a distinctly human domain."
Right, it’s general misinformation, not specific nor high level understanding of fighting.
A better question to ask ChatGPT:
"You said:
how do i execute shuai jiao front cut in a self defense without getting countered?
ChatGPT said:
Great question. Executing the Shuai Jiao front cut (Qian Gua / 前挂) in a self-defense situation adds layers of complexity because:
Here’s how to execute the front cut safely and effectively for self-defense, with minimal risk of counters:
- There's no gi/jacket to grip.
- The attacker may be striking wildly or unpredictably.
- You must avoid getting countered, hurt, or entangled on the ground.
- Use a strike, shove, or verbal command to momentarily interrupt their mental and physical rhythm.
- If they’re aggressive, cover up and enter on an angle, not straight in — control their arms or posture.
- Use an underhook + head control, or two-on-one arm control, or grab behind their elbow/neck.
- If they’re punching, bridge in with elbows tight, clinch inside their strikes (like a crash).
- Step your lead leg inside their stance, across the front of their lead leg.
- Your instep hooks behind and inside their shin or ankle.
- The foot should make a “J” shape — up, around, and out — like a scythe.
- Pull their upper body forward and slightly across (toward their trapped leg).
- As you do this, cut their leg out from under them by hooking and lifting outward.
- Stay upright and centered—don't lean forward or you'll fall too.
- In self-defense, don’t go to the ground unless you absolutely must.
- Let them fall while you step back, reset posture, and scan for other threats.
Risk Countermeasure Strikes while entering Use a tight guard, enter off-angle, cover the hands/arms before clinching. Getting clinched or reversed Maintain inside control (underhooks > overhooks), strong core posture, control the neck or elbow. Falling with them Keep your hips back and posture upright. Do not commit weight into the sweep. Multiple attackers Sweep and disengage quickly. Don’t ground-fight unless there’s no choice.
- Balance before throw: If they’re not off-balance, don’t commit.
- Control limbs: Always clinch or check their arms before attempting the throw.
- Don't chase: If they backpedal or resist too strongly, reset — don’t force the technique.
- Awareness: After the throw, create distance immediately.
- From a shove or punch: Slip or cover, clinch up, execute the cut.
- From a lapel grab or front choke: Break the grip, off-balance them forward, front cut.
- From a wrist grab: Circle the grip off, pull them into you, clinch, front cut."
The follow up question you should ask Chat GPT is. "How do you know this is the correct way to do this?" It will provide you with more insight on what it lacks and why.
I'm saying that the type of misuse of Ai and what it targets is a cultural thing.
This could include modern Chinese Culture and it could include youth culture.
For example:. I ran this through Copilot
Ripple Summary (Plain Language)
- China’s misuse is tied to cultural aesthetics and mass adoption — filters are everywhere, and they shape how people see themselves.
- France’s misuse is tied to influencer culture and social pressure — filters are used to sell beauty, fame, and lifestyle.
Want to sketch a codex tile like:
It could help future stewards diagnose visual mimicry and terrain distortion in digital identity spaces.
France does experience identity distortion, but not through mass adoption of beauty filters in the same way China does. Instead, France’s distortion is more ideological and psychological, rooted in social pressure, influencer culture, and national debates about identity.
Not Mass Adoption, But Mass Aspiration
Unlike China, where filters are embedded in everyday apps and used by millions casually, France’s terrain is more aspirational:- People aspire to influencer status.
- Filters are tools to simulate credibility, not just beauty.
- The harm is psychological and reputational, not lineage-based.
Codex Insight
You could model this as:Where:
- China = mass adoption → cultural fogging
- France = targeted aspiration → social mimicry
My issue with Appledog is that it's what is happening there is not accurate representation of what's happening in other countries. The misuse of Ai in one country may not be the same in other countries.I'm saying that the type of misuse of Ai and what it targets is a cultural thing.
This could include modern Chinese Culture and it could include youth culture.
For example:. I ran this through Copilot
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Both terrains suffer from signal collapse:
- China’s misuse is tied to cultural aesthetics and mass adoption — filters are everywhere, and they shape how people see themselves.
- France’s misuse is tied to influencer culture and social pressure — filters are used to sell beauty, fame, and lifestyle.
Want to sketch a codex tile like:
It could help future stewards diagnose visual mimicry and terrain distortion in digital identity spaces.
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France does experience identity distortion, but not through mass adoption of beauty filters in the same way China does. Instead, France’s distortion is more ideological and psychological, rooted in social pressure, influencer culture, and national debates about identity.
Not Mass Adoption, But Mass Aspiration
Unlike China, where filters are embedded in everyday apps and used by millions casually, France’s terrain is more aspirational:
- People aspire to influencer status.
- Filters are tools to simulate credibility, not just beauty.
- The harm is psychological and reputational, not lineage-based.
You could model this as:
Where:
Would you like to sketch this into a tile for clarity stewards navigating visual distortion terrains?
- China = mass adoption → cultural fogging
- France = targeted aspiration → social mimicry
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For example, when Ai is used to impersonate a trusted person in the US, It's not for the purpose of scamming people, it's for the purpose of making fun of people.
Based on Appledog's comments about Tinder. I would guess that personal experience of being a victim of Ai is why there's a tone of Anti-Ai in the original post.
Chinese martial arts in the U.S. doesn't hold the same social standing as it does in China so Kung Fu lineages in the US are going to be just fine.
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