McClellan Blasts Bush!

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PHOENIX — President Bush “convinces himself to believe what suits his needs at the moment,” and has engaged in “self-deception” to justify his political ends, Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary, writes in a critical new memoir about his years in the West Wing.
In addition, Mr. McClellan writes, the decision to invade Iraq was a “serious strategic blunder,” and yet, in his view, it was not the biggest mistake the Bush White House made. That, he says, was “a decision to turn away from candor and honesty when those qualities were most needed.”

Mr. McClellan’s book, “What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception,” is the first negative account by a member of the tight circle of Texans around Mr. Bush. Mr. McClellan, 40, went to work for Mr. Bush when he was governor of Texas and was the White House press secretary from July 2003 to April 2006.

McClellan charges that Bush relied on “propaganda” to sell the war.

He says the White House press corps too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.

“History appears poised to confirm what most Americans today have decided: that the decision to invade Iraq was a serious strategic blunder. No one, including me, can know with absolute certainty how the war will be viewed decades from now when we can more fully understand its impact. What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary."
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You should check out Bush's Brain, a documentary about Karl Rove and his role in the Bush II administration.

There are a lot of testimonials from current Capitol Hill bigwigs and military leaders criticizing the current administration. Many of those testimonials insinuate the concept that the US's real leadership lies with Bush's appointed advisers.

Aren't all wars from a "democratic" country greased with propaganda? If anything, Bush and his people are great spin doctors.

Too bad the American people took the bait.
 

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McClellan charges that Bush relied on propaganda to sell the war.

That's fine, given our past discussion of "propaganda". It seems to me that you are again trying to suggest something unsavory with this term.

History appears poised to confirm what most Americans today have decided: that the decision to invade Iraq was a serious strategic blunder. No one, including me, can know with absolute certainty how the war will be viewed decades from now when we can more fully understand its impact. What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary."
:rolleyes:

I'm not interested in a spokesman's opinion of when war should be waged, nor whether this particular war fits his criteria.

BTW: Love the new avatar!
 
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That's fine, given our past discussion of "propaganda". It seems to me that you are again trying to suggest something unsavory with this term.

Not me, him:

The Bush White House made "a decision to turn away from candor and honesty when those qualities were most needed" a time when the nation was on the brink of war, McClellan writes in the book entitled "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception."
The way Bush managed the Iraq issue "almost guaranteed that the use of force would become the only feasible option."

"In the permanent campaign era, it was all about manipulating sources of public opinion to the president's advantage," McClellan writes.
 

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-Not taking sides in this but I would like to interject one thought about McClellan. The interviews done with other White House staff wondered why, if McClellan had any aversion to the policies of the Bush administration, did he not speak out at that time? I think, considering the hit jobs that have been done on those who disagreed with Bush policy, it was probably self-preservation. If he really disagreed, he would've kept his mouth shut. Who can know? Just a thought.

Andrew
 

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well.

hmmmm

he tol Ari Fliesher not too long ago that the book would make Bush look really good.

then the editors got ahold of it

just as an aside, the company publishing the book? it is owned by one George Soros...............
 

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The amazing thing about this isn't that it's happened but how often it's happened. There's been a steady parade of former high-level Bush officials who have written damning memoirs. It started in his first term when his popularity was buoyed by *Laaaa!!!!* 9-11 *Laaaa!!!!* and has continued until today. There was nothing like this during the Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon or Johnson years. That fact alone is quite disturbing.
 
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yes, Fliesher told O'Rielly that on the radio today. I heard it.

Well, good-the transcript should be available online tomorrow. In the meantime, though, in addition to the unfavorable things that McClellan said in his book, he apparently also shared some genuine affection and admiration of BuSh-a man he worked for from the time he was governor of Texas...I guess that's favorable.
 

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The amazing thing about this isn't that it's happened but how often it's happened. There's been a steady parade of former high-level Bush officials who have written damning memoirs. It started in his first term when his popularity was buoyed by *Laaaa!!!!* 9-11 *Laaaa!!!!* and has continued until today. There was nothing like this during the Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon or Johnson years. That fact alone is quite disturbing.

Nixon did have John Dean. Most other high level officials have been pretty loyal.
 

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yeah, all of Clinton's former advisors went to jail.

The amazing thing about this isn't that it's happened but how often it's happened. There's been a steady parade of former high-level Bush officials who have written damning memoirs. It started in his first term when his popularity was buoyed by *Laaaa!!!!* 9-11 *Laaaa!!!!* and has continued until today. There was nothing like this during the Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon or Johnson years. That fact alone is quite disturbing.
 

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]as ususal, the facts dont care about party. The clinton presidency was arguably one of the most corrupt in history[/FONT]

Since you mention the Clinton Presidency, what role did any two of those individuals play in his regime?

In fact, which two was it that you'd call "advisors" to Bill Clinton?
 

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most of those are people that worked for him while he was governor. (Jim and Susan McDougal would certainly qualify as advisors)You know, when he was learning how to be a corrupt, ethics-challenged used car salesman and accused rapist.

Does that make a huge difference?

The fact is Sandy Berger only avoided jail because of a plea bargin and Hillary only avoided jail because the papers just so happened to have popped up AFTER the statute of limitations ran out.

Not to mention Clinton himself was found guilty of perjury and DISBARRED



oh, and "Pardons!! get your fresh hot Pardons!! Pardons for sale!!"



you cant seriously be defending the guy? He was a great speaker yes, he was also a criminal
 
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