Knee strike vs. single leg

[Kung Fu Wang]

- A uses left hand to pull B's head into A's left knee strike.
- B uses left hand to push A's left upper arm, use right hand to pull A's left kneeing leg.

Who will win? Your thought?

 

[JowGaWolf]

Depends on B's stance. If B is off balance the A will win. If B is steady with a strong stance then B will have the opportunity to counter.

 

[dvcochran]

That is not what is shown in the picture. Or am I missing something. Per your description and everything else being equal I would give the nod to A.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Or am I missing something.

- B's both hands are free.
- B can borrow A's kneeing force, add his leg pulling force.
- B can borrow A's pulling force, adds his shoulder pushing force.

Here is a similar situation.

 

[drop bear]

- A uses left hand to pull B's head into A's left knee strike.
- B uses left hand to push A's left upper arm, use right hand to pull A's left kneeing leg.

Who will win? Your thought?

That will be a head outside single though. There would have to be a lot of things going right for him to win that takedown.

 

[CB Jones]

B's hands are full holding pads....so I give the edge to A.

 

[drop bear]

B's hands are full holding pads....so I give the edge to A.

Unless he trains at tiger.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

B's hands are full holding pads....so I give the edge to A.

Assume B is not holding pads.

 

[JowGaWolf]

- B's both hands are free.
- B can borrow A's kneeing force, add his leg pulling force.
- B can borrow A's pulling force, adds his shoulder pushing force.

Here is a similar situation.

This is not in disagreement to Kung Fu Wang. I'm just going into more detail. You will also see B borrowing force as Wang described.

B can only do those things if his stance is strong.. The ultimate truth in all fighting systems is that Balance is always overrides any action, which is why so many systems exploit it. If B cannot maintain balance then there's nothing that B can do to counter. The ultimate strike in all systems is the one that destroys balance, after that it's the one that destroys structure.

The attack that A does destroys balance and breaks structure in that order. B's balance is broken and then his structure is broken as he tries to regain balance. At this pace A is ahead of B. B is performing 1 step behind. He's trying to regain balance as his structure is being broken, which is no good. So B tries to regain structure which is also the moment when A strikes with the knee.

The defensive match must be
A attacks balance = B Defend Balance. This will stop any follow up from occurring .

If the defense if.
A attacks balance - B loses Balance then the series of actions will follow.

A attacks balance - B loses balance
A attacks balance - B corrects balance
A attacks with knee - B corrects structure
A attacks balance - B defends against knee.

The series above shows how B is always 1 step behind. This is the same thing that happens when grapplers take down strikers
Grappler attacks balance - B throws strike
Grappler attacks structure - B tries to regain balance
Grappler controls limbs - B tries to regain structure
Grappler locks joints - B tries to control limbs.

In both example, B is one step behind in his defense. The defense picked is never appropriate for the attack and it starts with that loss of balance.

If B can address the correct defense at the correct time then B can gain the upper hand and then force A to Strike. This what it looks like when B counters

A attacks balance - B defends balance
A attacks structure - B attacks balance.
A tries to regain balance - B - attacks structure
A tries to correct structure - B attacks balance.

 

[JowGaWolf]

That will be a head outside single though. There would have to be a lot of things going right for him to win that takedown.

Step.1 Break balance by going for the leg.
Step 2: Swinging the leg around breaks structure

The counter.
A attacks Balance - B defends Balance
A attacks structure - B borrows structure from A by forcing B to carry weight.
B attacks balance (caused by the previous action).

As good as this stuff is, it's difficult to do and takes a lot of training and timing. Get the timing wrong as an attacker and the order will change, attacker loses. Get the timing wrong as defender then the defender loses.

high level stuff even at the basics level.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Thank you for showing this clip.

If your opponent can hook your rooting leg, it can be a hard falling.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Thank you for showing this clip.

I have my days when I can see what you see lol.

Blue tried to break balance. Red defended the balance. Because of this Red was able to maintain balance.
Red breaks blues balance by pushing and preventing the kneeing leg from assisting with regaining balance.
Red attacks structure while Blue was trying to regain balance.

Blue is one step behind.
Red is in step with Blue. The push zaps the power out of the knee, while unbalancing blue. The first thing that blue's brain will think about is regain balance. Which would be to put the kneeing leg back on the ground. While Blue is thinking that. Red is breaking structure with the trip. Nothing Blue can do to defend against this.

In order for Blue to defend against it, Blue would have had to defend his balance first.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Same story
Black breaks balance by moving forward.
Black grabs leg to prevent white from regaining balance (stepping back)
Black breaks structure while white is trying to regain balance. White is behind. Nothing white can do to counter, if he's one step behind.

White can jump forward a few steps. Don't regain balance instead, Use black's force, to attack blacks balance. But that only works if the first decision is to not regain balance but to go with the energy in order to "catch up" with the process. The only way that opportunity will be present is if black take too long to move from break balance to break structure. The longer that takes the better chance white has to counter, by not regaining balance.

In this example. Defending balance means that white would need to remove his leg to prevent leg grab.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Black breaks balance by moving forward.

This is why to borrow your opponent's force is so important. When A pulls B's head down into A's knee, A gives B the initial force for B's body to move forward.

Of course it will require a lot of B's training time for B to be able to do that.