Kenpo, and Krav Maga

[brianhunter]

>Kenpo - Has recently been seen on the World Wrestling >Entertainment, (formerly the WWF) as newcomer "The Stylist" is >declared as having his black belt in Kenpo and a weapon to >himself. He still got his @ss beat by a fat guy in a sumo skirt.

Yeah I watched the same episode of smackdown in earnest to see if he would show anything kenpo related 2 hours of my life I will never get back......all I seen was "dividing the cheeks" when he was sat on by the 500 lb samoan! :idunno:

 

[donald]

Originally posted by Michael Billings

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He got me interested in Krav ... but it seems very simplistic compared to Kenpo. Some really good basic self-defense, practiced very hard and effectively. Similar to some of the other systems that are popular now and taking the place of Brazilian rollin' around ... which I also like and think is great fun. The SPEAR system and RAD systems which also focus on a simple hard defense - followed by elbows, finger, knees etc. to vital targets. Good stuff for what it is, and extremely marketable right now.

Is'nt simplicity in action the best form of defense? How many here who have had to use kenpo in a real situation, got "sophisticated" in their response? My educated guess would be VERY few, if any at all! All the terminology, fancy stance changes etc.. Don't beat just plain old straight ahead FERIOCITY... Move,feint,parry, groin shot, palm to the face, etc.,etc.. Nothing fancy just good clean straight ahead kenpo...

 

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

He may defect!

:shrug:

I will defect, for MONEY, TONS OF IT!:2pistols:

 

[Goldendragon7]

going to hire me as your bodyguard?

:asian:

 

[clvlkenpo]

Krav Maga definately is not Kenpo. All you have to do is look in any black belt mag and see them showing a usless and dangerous defense against a gun attack that would only get you killed if you tried to do it that way. Remember, Krav Maga was not designed to be really complete or even very sophisticated, it was designed to be easily taught to novices in small blocks of time that is available to military students. All the US armed forces do the same thing. They teach a watered down "system" that is not too complicated, doesn't require much practice, doesn't go into "the why" of doing things, just how to do it , read that monkey see monkey do. I speak as a 23 year Marine Corps veteran and I know that the only military guys I know that are any good at martial arts are the ones that do off-duty training, and a lot of it. Remember, all military org's assume that you are going to have weapons and lots of them, not unarmed combat.

Rob

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by clvlkenpo

I speak as a 23 year Marine Corps veteran and I know that the only military guys I know that are any good at martial arts are the ones that do off-duty training, and a lot of it. Rob

Are you a real Devil Dog, or didja go to boot in Hollywood?

ONLY KIDDING!!!

When did you go in, and when did you get out?

When did you shake it all about? :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Seig]

You ain't just whistling Dixie. When I was in the Coast Guard (Didn't know SGM Parker was a Coastie too), I was on a baording team. The crap they tried to teach us as self-defense was just enough to get someone seriously hurt against an experienced fighter.

 

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

going to hire me as your bodyguard?

:asian:

Yup, I can be the "next " Elvis, and you can escort me all over the place.

 

[Michael Billings]

It is not the simplicity I have a problem with - it is the idea that they are "Complete" martial artist with this training. It was designed as a fairly simplistic, effective, system that could be taught to civilians in a short period of time.

Some of us in Kenpo could have hurt someone seriously before we ever started, or shortly thereafter. Then we learned enough to require a serious cataloging of injuries, now after a bunch of years, it is simple again (at least most of the time), and I have options open as to contact manipulation, changing targets, weapons, and amount of force utilized. Simple self-defense is not always so simple, or so black and white as we like to be able to present it. Trashing someone with elbows and knees is not always the appropriate response pattern to fall into. More time in whatever art, gives you time to train psychologically and learn variable response patterns which can be used as needed. That is my real hang up on Krav, the illusion of self-confidence. Some are great fighters, no matter what system they would be doing.

No answers, just noting another marketable fad. One I actually like better than some of the others that have passed this past decade.

-Michael
UKS-Texas

 

[clvlkenpo]

I went in in April 69 and retarded oops retired in 1999.

Yes I was a Hollywood Marine but Lee Ermey was there with me!

Rob

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by clvlkenpo

I went in in April 69 and retarded oops retired in 1999.

Yes I was a Hollywood Marine but Lee Ermey was there with me!

Rob

Were you connected with the air wing at all?

 

[Goldendragon7]

Originally posted by Michael Billings
That is my real hang up on Krav, the illusion of self-confidence.

That sums it up!

:asian:

 

[Seig]

I don't think it is an illusion of self-confidence. It does seem to give that. It seems to be more an illusion of competence.

 

[clvlkenpo]

Yes I was in the air wing and then artillery.

rob

 

[Sigung86]

Originally posted by Seig

I don't think it is an illusion of self-confidence. It does seem to give that. It seems to be more an illusion of competence.

Competence is only an illusion if you do not work to make it real.

It still boils down, I think, to the fact that the man makes the system, and not the other way around. I'm not trying to defend Krav Maga, or any other system. But I suspect that it is possible to do a fairly passable job of defending yourself with whatever "tool/system" you have had training in, if you do practice it and make it a part of you.

Most of us tend to think that Kenpo is the best there is...That's because, fundamentally, it struck a chord in us somewhere, and we, therefore, practice it to make it work. There are people in other systems that work just as hard and their system is just as effective for them.

Just some thoughts!

Dan

 

[donald]

Mr.Seig,

I think your answer is a bullseye... You don't have to own a 3000.00 tool set. To make you a good mechanic, but when you've run out of WD40, and really need to bust something loose. I believe we would all rather have the forged Craftsmen. Instead of the 6.95 flea market special! Does this anology make sense to any other than me? :shrug:

 

[Seig]

Yes you make sense. It's not the art that is superior, it is the artist.

 

[Roland]

Jennifer Lopez while she shows off her
Krav Maga in her new movie!!!

 

[ikenpo]

Originally posted by Roland

Jennifer Lopez while she shows off her
Krav Maga in her new movie!!!

Hey,

Systems that pull in women that look like that can't be all that bad...

jb

 

[Roland]

she could not remember any of her moves from Krav Maga.
She filmed the movie last year, and has not continued to train.
So sad really.