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Originally posted by MartialArtist
The ancient fighting methods of the Shaolin monks are all but lost. Wing chun existed, but most of the styles were gone as they weren't written down at all and there was nobody to pass them. People claiming to be Shaolin monsters are nothing more than people with shaved heads performing acrobatics, nothing more, they're not even real monks as I saw them eating meat.
When did I say that? I agreed with you and I saidthat there is no such thing as Shaolin monk masters anymore and that a lot of the arts were lost because they weren't written down.Originally posted by Skarbromantis
And you got that info from where?
So do you think that charging student's money for Kung Fu and Teaching Them Kenpo/Kempo/Karate is ok?
Skard1
Originally posted by MartialArtist
When did I say that? I agreed with you and I saidthat there is no such thing as Shaolin monk masters anymore and that a lot of the arts were lost because they weren't written down.
Shaolin monks revived? Yes, in a way. The monks after the Manchu invasions were pretty muched wiped out. The monks today are trying to revive their traditions but most of their fighting techniques were gone. Their philosophies however, did survive in a way and a lot of their rituals dealing with them. The temples nowadays are more of a tourist attraction now.Originally posted by 7starmantis
Yeah, I see that you were agreeing with him, I think he just read it wrong.
However, I would be interested in knowing where you got the information about there being no shaolin monk masters anymore, cause there are still shaolin temples correct ?
7sm
Originally posted by GouRonin
Q When was that that Mr. Ed Park awarded you an Eighth Degree Black Belt?
A That was mainly in the end. I think '71.
Originally posted by arnisador
Is this so? Did Mr. Parker award people honorary 8th degree black belts?
Originally posted by KennethKu
We still have the Sphinx and the pyramids, but where is the Pharaoh?
The Temple today is a tourist attraction. The MA's version of Graceland, so to speak. (But there is no Elvis lol)
One has to be extremely cautious when one hears claim of lineage that is impossible to verify independently.
Arts like wing chun survived because it was able to be handed down. And now, it is also written. The other styles were not written down for security purposes (no joke) and they weren't really able to pass down their arts because they were destroyed. Most of the "Shaolin monks" you see now are just "fake" techniques that were learned by people who just watched and/or are just new upstarts. Even Northern and Southern Shaolin stylists know that the art practiced by the monks and nuns (yes, there were nuns in the temple like Ng Mui) is not like their art today. Unfortunately, most of their training methods are now just legend.Originally posted by 7starmantis
Yes, but there was only one pharoah at a time, and some cultures have traced back to their ancestors as to whom was a pharoah. I read an article on it in National Geographic in the Dentist office! ouch!!
Also, the sphinx and pyramids did not house the pharoah. Just because the temple was destroyed doesn't change what was taught there does it? The monks handed down there training, philosophies, religion, everything, does it make it different that their temple was destoyed? Would it cahnge your art, if your school was destoyed by a fire or something ? I don't mean to sound disrespectful, I'm just trying to cover every angle.
7sm
Originally posted by theneuhauser
what about systems that devloped in shaolin and travelled outside the temple?
Yes, there are a few that did survive. Each has their own history behind it.Originally posted by theneuhauser
what about systems that devloped in shaolin and travelled outside the temple?
Originally posted by MartialArtist
The styles and the knowledge died with the monks. If you study some Far Eastern history, you'll be surprised just as how much knowledge was lost in the Shaolin arts.