Jujitsu Striking
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Darth F.Takeda
Blue Belt
There are Ryu's with very little to no strikes and others that have a large arsenal of strikes.
In classical Jujutsu, you have a lot of Shoto strikes (edge of hand) both resembling a "karate chop" and more like a strait on or angled strike.
You have open plams, back hands, ridge hands, elbow, back of wrist and forearm strikes as well as headbuts.
Kicks are at a minimum and are almost always aimed from the waist down.
Some are ment to do great damage, lick knee stomps and groin kicks as well as kicks aimed at a downed oponents head, neck and limbs, other kicks are more to distract or overamp your enemy to set up another technique. Knee strikes are used to set up entry or when both fighters stall out.
In classical Jujutsu, you have a lot of Shoto strikes (edge of hand) both resembling a "karate chop" and more like a strait on or angled strike.
You have open plams, back hands, ridge hands, elbow, back of wrist and forearm strikes as well as headbuts.
Kicks are at a minimum and are almost always aimed from the waist down.
Some are ment to do great damage, lick knee stomps and groin kicks as well as kicks aimed at a downed oponents head, neck and limbs, other kicks are more to distract or overamp your enemy to set up another technique. Knee strikes are used to set up entry or when both fighters stall out.
IMHO, this is where karate systems really excell. They incorporate all sorts of strikes that set up jujutsu moves very well. The only problem is finding a teacher that actually knows how to deliver such strikes and incorporate the grappling components of karate.
Darth F.Takeda
Blue Belt
A background in Karate can help, but you do have to change some things, as you never want the atemi to impeed the waza.
But yes , my Karate/TKD/Kenpo striking background did help when I started Jujutsu.
We have people from lots of different arts in our Dojo and it is neat to see what comes out. The Boxers addapt the best out of the strikers.
MarkBarlow
Purple Belt
There's no denying the power and efficiency of Karate strikes. The problem with attempting to transfer them to Jujutsu application is that most Karateka do not fight at the close range that Jujutsuka prefer. Many of the basic strikes and kicks found in Okinawan and Japanese systems are less effective when the attacker is within grappling range.
It has been my experience that boxing and Muay Thai are the easiest to blend with Jujutsu waza.
kaizasosei
Master Black Belt
what would you have them be like? the kicks, i mean. ?
Darth F.Takeda
Blue Belt
In the style I study and most of what I have seen, the kicks are allmost always kept lower than the waist ( I have seen front kicks to the stomach and to the face of a kneeling opponent). They tend to be either low/medium power flick kicks to the leg or groin to set ups for a Jujutsu waza, unbalanceing aids ( Like droppoing round kick or heel push to the back of the knee) or full on destructions of the knee and or ankle or stomps to the foot.
Bodhisattva
Blue Belt
Most Japanese Jujutsu striking looks like standard Karate striking.
Some people in Jujutsu classes, however, are learning boxing techniques as opposed to the more traditional hand-on-the-hip reverse punch.
But they are very few.
The kicking, like the punching, is very "karate snap kick" looking.
Bodhisattva
Blue Belt
I think, aside from a few extra open hand techniques, youw ould find it ALMOST IDENTICAL to Okinawan stylists.
Darth F.Takeda
Blue Belt
It would be interesting to know what Ryu's you have seen and whether Karate wazas were added later?
Ture they use knife hands, shoto strikes, backfist, odd fist position strikes, but the mechanicas tend to be different and shorter.
I have never seen a reverse punch as a Jujutsu waza (But I and other, who have karate backgrounds might use them.
The strikes also tend to be shorter and do not tend to retract on contact but stick to the bodypart to unbalnace the oponent.
I could see where the kicking can look like older Okinawan karate kicking.
kwaichang
Purple Belt
My studies were with "traditionalists" and we never did waza; set repetition similar to Karate Katas. Reverse punches certainly were part of the techniques I learned; in several schools; basically jiu jitsu people like to get in close and so kicks, while used, are not a huge part of the techniques.
wadokai_indonesia
Yellow Belt
I studied several streams of Jujutsu, some modern, some very traditional. In the Hakko-ryu system, the strikes are different with the Okinawans, but we do contain kicks. However, the preferred strike in the Hakko-ryu system are fingertip strikes to nerve centers. We even have a technique of attacking nerve centers using the big toe.
In the Takagi Yoshin-ryu and Wado-ryu system, many techniques are similar with Okinawan Karate and Chugoku Kenpo. But not much of high kicks. BTW, in the Wado system, one big portion of the system is Karate (so there are many high kicks), but one small portion of the system is Jujutsu, called Wado-ryu Jujutsu Kenpo, and this portion contains no high kicks at all).
The American modern Ju-Jitsu systems that I learned, however, contains many techniques which are identical to the strikes and kicks and blocks of Karate.
In the Takagi Yoshin-ryu and Wado-ryu system, many techniques are similar with Okinawan Karate and Chugoku Kenpo. But not much of high kicks. BTW, in the Wado system, one big portion of the system is Karate (so there are many high kicks), but one small portion of the system is Jujutsu, called Wado-ryu Jujutsu Kenpo, and this portion contains no high kicks at all).
The American modern Ju-Jitsu systems that I learned, however, contains many techniques which are identical to the strikes and kicks and blocks of Karate.
Saitama Steve
Blue Belt
Classical Japanese jujutsu atemi-waza are rather functional, being used for specific targets, there are a good number of open hand strikes and an almost equal amount of closed hand strikes.
Most koryu jujutsu schools will have shote-uchi, shuto-uchi, hiji-uchi, genkotsu-tsuki or seiken-tsuki, uraken and/or oroshi-uchi (bottom fist strike) and possibly a couple of other strikes depending on the school. (The names given to the atemi-waza are also dependant of the ryuha practiced.)
Usually, in standing situations, open hand strikes are utilized for the head and some joints. Closed hand strikes are used for softer targets like the nose, the stomach, the throat, the testicles, etc. A lot of atemi-waza are actually imitations of weapons usage, such as cutting or thrusting with a long or short sword.
Also, it makes combative sense to not use closed fist strikes to the head or harder, bony parts of the body, due to the fact that if you break your hand/knuckles, you cannot effectively employ your weapon. This is a combative principle that is still used today with Military and LEO. In koryu jujutsu, one of the only closed hand strike I have seen to the head was an uraken to the nose. Everything else has been open hand strikes.
Hontai Yoshin-ryu, Takenouchi-ryu, Takagi-ryu, Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, Kiraku-ryu, Sosuishi-ryu, Shosho-ryu, make use of most of these atemi-waza among others.
Most koryu jujutsu schools will have shote-uchi, shuto-uchi, hiji-uchi, genkotsu-tsuki or seiken-tsuki, uraken and/or oroshi-uchi (bottom fist strike) and possibly a couple of other strikes depending on the school. (The names given to the atemi-waza are also dependant of the ryuha practiced.)
Usually, in standing situations, open hand strikes are utilized for the head and some joints. Closed hand strikes are used for softer targets like the nose, the stomach, the throat, the testicles, etc. A lot of atemi-waza are actually imitations of weapons usage, such as cutting or thrusting with a long or short sword.
Also, it makes combative sense to not use closed fist strikes to the head or harder, bony parts of the body, due to the fact that if you break your hand/knuckles, you cannot effectively employ your weapon. This is a combative principle that is still used today with Military and LEO. In koryu jujutsu, one of the only closed hand strike I have seen to the head was an uraken to the nose. Everything else has been open hand strikes.
Hontai Yoshin-ryu, Takenouchi-ryu, Takagi-ryu, Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, Kiraku-ryu, Sosuishi-ryu, Shosho-ryu, make use of most of these atemi-waza among others.
Darth F.Takeda
Blue Belt
What you point out about breaking potetially the hands in combat , therefore it's wise to use open hand strikes and bottom fist strikes is why I have a problem with the Modern Army Combatives program (Blends BJJ and MMA) and the west coast Levine branch of Krav Maga for self defense.
Both advocate punching, unless you condition your hands, you should not punch anything as hard or harder than your hand.
Darth F.Takeda
Blue Belt
As long as yopu mean hammerfist and back of the hand strikes, not strait up punches, then yes i should have added that. Backfist or hammerfist to the temple is a common atemi with Kotegiash, and many times the Kotegiash was the set up for the knock out blow. You are eiser to hit in the temple and go out easier with your head tilted. Diato Ryu is big on this.
