Boxing is good for striking, not just "in the ring." It has an excellent striking menu, fantastic footwork, and wonderful body movement/evasion skills against other hand-striking attacks. Hand-striking attacks (everything from a boxing punch, through a "karate" punch, to a haymaker) are pretty common initial attacks and boxing provides an excellent vehicle to address that.How is boxing a better choice for self defense when it has the most limited atmosphere? From my experiences in real fights the striking distance normally gets closed and they both "tie up"(for slang purposes). Meaning it ends up in grappling with fist being thrown or tackling. Boxing is good for boxing ring. Boxing can also be used in self defense against someone not trained in anything at all. But most Jujutsu schools were born off surviving an attack. Not following any rules of sport. For some reason you act like Jujutsu is about being on the ground. I rather not sit around and play "rock-em sock-em robots" with someone. I rather effectively throw them to the ground with little to no effort using their energy. And from that point on I will only suggest you do what is legally allowed in your country/etc.
There's a lot more too it than just that.There is a difference with fighting and self-defense. Both terms over-lap, but they type of violent struggle you [Tanka] describe is approached and treated as a contest, as combatants get "tied up" in the same manner as a fighting contest. Young men usually take this approach who have some level of fight contest training. Women will take this approach contest approach to but usually don't have the training. Contest fights are driven by proving each others strength or skill. A good identifier of this approach is the signs of pre-physical verbal intimidation and physical posturing between the fighters testing each other. Each fighter are in the same environment in close proximity and may know each other or have seen each other, i.e. at the same bar, club, party, restaurant, neighborhood, etc. A self-defense is when a victim is ambushed by an attacker usually a criminal with intent to kill or rape, or both. The victim being surprised by the attacker must immediately and decisively defend themselves with a disabling attack, i.e. eye gouge, the victim must assume many variables, such as a weapon being used by the attacker. Such attacks are pre-meditated and calculated where neither the victim or the attacker wants a struggle or the conflict to be over in seconds and doesn't want to be "tied up". Or does either one want them to go to the ground, unless it is a rape situation. Here we have thumb nail sketches conflicts where one is likely go to the ground if you don't K.O. the other fighter first. Again you don't want that because you are more susceptible to being stabbed, pummeled or stomped/kicked on the street. I am not saying there isn't any value to fighting on the ground, and no fight will go to the ground. Rather, not all fights go to the ground, contest fights have a higher probability of going to the ground than self-defense situation.
Its all a matter of application - Kyokushin Karate for example, practitions Bare Knuckle Full Contact Striking. And due to bare knuckle physical conditioning, they dont break their hands.I think Jujutsu is much better for self defense. I can punch and kick, that comes normal. In Jujutsu I have also learned good footwork and body movement. I have also learned vulnerable area's to strike. I remember when Mike Tyson sucker punched another Boxer(on the street). Guess what happened to Mike Tyson's hand? He broke it. Guess what happened to the other guy? All he required was a few stitches. Relying on punching and kicking especially without gloves can end up injuring yourself more than the other person. Especially if hes bigger than you. So instead of trying to counteract energy with energy. I rather take the Jujutsu approach. Where it doesn't matter how big they are, if they don't know how to neutralize the techniques I apply. They will be flying faster than a falcon. And I won't have to injure myself at all. Not to mention Jujutsu looks less lethal to viewers and to police. It's much easier to explain a broken bone or choked out man. Rather than someone you had to savagely beat in order to subdue him. Where they will most likely be cut up due to your knuckles and bleeding all over the place. Everyone knows what a punch and kick is on the street. Not everyone knows what I will be doing to them, and why I am doing things the way I am doing them. Unless they have knowledge of grappling. I don't really see boxing as something I would take for self defense. Although of course it is good for self defense. Its philosophy isn't geared towards it. I rather be up-close and neutralizing them, rather than letting them move around freely as I try to knock them out.(Big keyword is "try") There's people with natural steel chins. I just can't see 5'6 man at 180 lbs Boxing 6'5 man at 260lbs.
You think you can punch and kick and that it comes [natural]. It doesn't. Most people punch and kick in way that will either injure themselves or put themselves in vulnerable/off-balance positions.I can punch and kick, that comes normal.
You have learned these skills in the context of JuJutsu and not in the context of striking. I assure you, they are different. Similar yes, but with subtle and very important differences in timing, ranges, and direction/movement of the body.In Jujutsu I have also learned good footwork and body movement.
Tyson broke his hand because he punched wrong. Simple as that. He didn't punch the way he needed to for bare knuckle. Instead, he punched the way he learned to with gloves and wraps. Before the general adoption of "mufflers" or "mittens" (gloves and now, in the modern context, gloves and wraps), bare knuckle boxers learned how to punch bare knuckle (surprising, I know). If every punch they threw broke their hands, each contest would be over in no more than 4 punches and one round at most and boxer's professional careers would last approximately one bout. Instead there were boxers with careers lasting decades and boxing matches would often last for hours (or in a few notable cases, spread over two days as sunlight failed before the match ended) and would last for sometimes over 100 rounds.I remember when Mike Tyson sucker punched another Boxer(on the street). Guess what happened to Mike Tyson's hand? He broke it. Guess what happened to the other guy? All he required was a few stitches. Relying on punching and kicking especially without gloves can end up injuring yourself more than the other person. Especially if hes bigger than you.
Of course it matters. Size always matters. It's just that it matters less if your skill is significantly higher than the "big" opponent.I rather take the Jujutsu approach. Where it doesn't matter how big they are, if they don't know how to neutralize the techniques I apply.
I know it sounds good, I agree, but, legally it's mule-muffins. If you have to apply force in self defense, then your defense should always be "Your Honor, I felt I was in danger of serious bodily harm or worse so I had to act defensively." Choked, joint-dislocation, busted nose, stabbed, or shot, it all works out the same. Your defense is: he attacked me, I had to defend myself.Not to mention Jujutsu looks less lethal to viewers and to police. It's much easier to explain a broken bone or choked out man. Rather than someone you had to savagely beat in order to subdue him.
No they don't. But they think they do.Everyone knows what a punch and kick is on the street.
In the same way as people thinking that they know what punching and kicking should be, despite not having any training, people also tend to think they know what grappling is. I've been watching the phenomenon for decades. I remember back when Hulk Hogan had every 3rd pre-teen thinking they knew wrestling because they watched it on TV.Not everyone knows what I will be doing to them, and why I am doing things the way I am doing them. Unless they have knowledge of grappling.
You have a number of preconceived notions about what boxing is and about what punching and kicking are which are, I'm sorry to say, not 100% spot on and reveal a lack of knowledge and subsequent bias. Your phrase, "savagely beat" or "bleeding all over the place" says to the observer that you are going by hearsay and what you've seen on TV.I don't really see boxing as something I would take for self defense. Although of course it is good for self defense. Its philosophy isn't geared towards it. I rather be up-close and neutralizing them, rather than letting them move around freely as I try to knock them out.(Big keyword is "try") There's people with natural steel chins. I just can't see 5'6 man at 180 lbs Boxing 6'5 man at 260lbs.
It's less common now than it was during the 18th-19th C and running up to the early part of the 20th C. There are still some who practice it.Well I don't really want to discourage anyone from taking Boxing as self defense. And to be honest I didn't know there was boxing training specifically for "bare knuckle."
That's what happens when they don't train to use bare knuckle. Like I said, just because they think they know how to punch doesn't mean they actually do.But as far as the savagely beat and bleeding all over the place. Boxing is pretty popular around where I live. And a lot of guys take up boxing around here. And a lot of them that have got in fights. Show me up close and personal their swollen knuckles and busted up hands.
I already admitted that I'm a grappling fan too. I'm the bald guy grinning like a lunatic as I sink a "front chancery" (guillotine) on my sparring partner in this recent pic.I just like Jujutsu the "Gentle Art." What if you were in a situation where you didn't really want to subdue them with striking? Like a family member that has mental issues, and you just want to subdue them until help can be called?
Depends on who's doing the teaching. If it's me, you'll learn a combination of London Prize Ring era and Broughton era boxing which has plenty of standing grappling in it.What do they teach in self defense boxing about that?