Israel Paying the Price for the West's Self-Hatred

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[h=1]Israel Paying the Price for the West's Self-Hatred[/h] by Peter Martino
November 27, 2012 at 4:30 am

Gatestone Institute EXCERPT (EMPHASIS MINE)


The moral question – "Who began the war and who denies its adversary's right to exist?" – is never asked. The media simply do not tell the truth.

Last Thursday evening, some 1,500 demonstrators convened in front of the Italian Parliament in Rome, waving Israeli and Italian flags. The demonstration "For the Truth, for Israel" had been organized in barely two days by Fiamma Nirenstein, a member of the Italian Chamber of Deputies, Italy's equivalent of the House of Representatives. The demonstrators listened to messages by over 50 people, including Matteo Renzi, the Mayor of Florence and a prominent leader of the Democratic Party, Angelino Alfano, Italy's former Justice Minister and the president of Berlusconi's party PDL, Gianfranco Fini, the Speaker of the Chamber of Deputies and the leader of the FLI party, and Renato Schifani, the Speaker of the Senate.
Although Nirenstein is Jewish, many of the demonstrators were not. In a statement released after the event, Nirenstein wrote that the demonstration showed how important "the existence of Israel and its safeguard is to the Italian people and its representatives." She said it also showed that "people are more and more capable of identifying the lies disguised as criticism to the Israeli government." Nirenstein, chairperson of the International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians, expressed her satisfaction that the Italians and their political leaders understand that Israel is "a bastion of human rights and democracy in the Middle East."
Unfortunately, Italy is exceptional in the European context. It is doubtful whether in other countries a similar pro-Israeli demonstration, openly supported by the Speakers of both houses of parliament, would be possible. The contrary, a demonstration in support of the Palestinians, is probably much more likely to attract broad political support. The Italians' awareness of Israel's plight is proof of the importance that a single person can have; it is to a large extent the result of the writings of one woman, the journalist Oriana Fallaci (1929-2006).
<<<SNIP>>>To the left-wing European intellectual, Israel equals the West equals imperialism. Western interests are portrayed as voracious destroyers of the weak and vulnerable. Israel is paying the price for Western self-hatred. The West, in fact, does not equal imperialism and destruction. On the contrary, the West equals civilization and human rights. While Israel is fighting its war with Hamas, it is also trying to respect human rights and spare the civilian population of Gaza as much as possible. At the same time that Israel was under heavy and indiscriminate rocket fire from Gaza, the Israeli army was organizing the safe passage of 124 trucks with supplies and medicines to Gaza. The Palestinian city is almost entirely dependent on Israel for its water and electricity supply. This supply was not cut. Neither did the Israeli Central Bank cut the supply of shekels to Gaza. Since the shekel is the currency in Gaza, without these shekels, Hamas cannot pay the wages of civil servants in Gaza. As the Israeli commentator Guy Bechor says about Israel: "We represent the first instance in history of one side feeding and financing its enemy, even during a time of war between the two."
<<SNIP>>

All these facts are hardly known in Europe, where Israel-bashing remains one of the favorite pastimes of the media. A 2010 study showed that for every two stories reflecting negatively on the Palestinians, the BBC published 51 stories reflecting negatively on Israel. What is constantly missing in the coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the context in which events take place. The media simply do not tell the truth. If they were to do so, ordinary Europeans would have a more balanced view on the conflict. Which is why Fiamma Nirenstein has a point when she called last week's demonstration in Rome a demonstration for the truth as well as for Israel.
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Not sure where the western self hate comes in...

To the left-wing European intellectual, Israel equals the West equals imperialism. Western interests are portrayed as voracious destroyers of the weak and vulnerable.
I'd leave out the words European and intellectual.
 
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Why are you insulting our European friends with that comment?

I was pointing out that it is leftists worldwide who support the so called palestinians and oppose the Israelis.
 

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The situation in Europe now is that the right wing hates the Jews and the left wing supports the Palestinians. Right wing 'nationalist' organisations are on the rise again in Europe with more anti Semitic attacks coming daily. Jews are being singled out for violence at as well verbal attacks in the media.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20472742
http://www.france24.com/en/20120606...s-revives-anti-semitism-debate-merah-toulouse
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3050/antisemitism-europe
http://euobserver.com/social/29842


http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012...f-nazi-victims-refutes-the-holocaust-deniers/
 

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...but Tez, I thought hate and antisemetism was politically from the left and those on the right are all heroes that wouldn't hate on anyone! That's what we've been told by a few on this forum anyway. You think maybe they weren't correct?

The left that I know is torn. Seeing suffering of anyone, including Palestinians promps them to want to find solutions to it. At the same time, it is accepted that Israel is in most cases acting in self defense. I know this is going to be difficult for some to accept, but the world is not seperated by black and white. There are no completely good guys are bad guys. The world is very complicated and has all sorts of shades of grey. That is why the best diplomacy should be done by intelligent people and not those that think in extremes.
 

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The 'left' varies from what Americans think of as left, sadly tthe 'right' seems to be the same.Even what Americans think of as socialism and communism isn't what Americans think it is. I know that Europe is bandied around as being 'socialist' by certain anti Obama types and held as an example of what America under him will be like however the majority of Europe is right wing conservative. In most countries the right wing and the left wing are more in the middle than many expect, often the two 'sides' work well together. However in many countries the extreme right wing is trying to make an impact, they've been around for ever, in some places keeping their heads down in others not so much. They are nationalistic, anti immigration, anti semitic, anti Muslim, anti black, anti Catholic and anti gay. The Nazi party under a different name. They are described here and accepted as the Far Right, they are determined to try to win power, by violence if necessary.
Socialists here come in many forms, Christian Socialists are common especially in Germany, Austria, Italy ( where you get Christian communists) Spain, and Portugal. Obviously Germany and Austria have a long history of anti semitism pre dating Hitler but Spain's history of anti semitism is legendary.
Why do so many Europena countries support Palestine over Israel when they voted in 1948 for Israel to exist? perhaps because of anti semitism and the fact that the Jews who for centuries haven't been a warrior people are now very much so, they are strong, vibrant and very much alive. Most people prefer their Jews quiet and out of sight. israel reminds people fo times and actions they'd rather not remember, perahps it's not self hate but is in fact feelings of guilt, the guilt of those who killed, who profited from the demise of Jews and of those who did nothing to stop any of it. there's plenty of people in Europe, far more than you'd think who live well now on the bones of Jews killed in the Holocaust..
 

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The 'left' varies from what Americans think of as left, sadly tthe 'right' seems to be the same.Even what Americans think of as socialism and communism isn't what Americans think it is. I know that Europe is bandied around as being 'socialist' by certain anti Obama types and held as an example of what America under him will be like however the majority of Europe is right wing conservative. In most countries the right wing and the left wing are more in the middle than many expect, often the two 'sides' work well together. However in many countries the extreme right wing is trying to make an impact, they've been around for ever, in some places keeping their heads down in others not so much. They are nationalistic, anti immigration, anti semitic, anti Muslim, anti black, anti Catholic and anti gay. The Nazi party under a different name. They are described here and accepted as the Far Right, they are determined to try to win power, by violence if necessary.
Socialists here come in many forms, Christian Socialists are common especially in Germany, Austria, Italy ( where you get Christian communists) Spain, and Portugal. Obviously Germany and Austria have a long history of anti semitism pre dating Hitler but Spain's history of anti semitism is legendary.
Why do so many Europena countries support Palestine over Israel when they voted in 1948 for Israel to exist? perhaps because of anti semitism and the fact that the Jews who for centuries haven't been a warrior people are now very much so, they are strong, vibrant and very much alive. Most people prefer their Jews quiet and out of sight. israel reminds people fo times and actions they'd rather not remember, perahps it's not self hate but is in fact feelings of guilt, the guilt of those who killed, who profited from the demise of Jews and of those who did nothing to stop any of it. there's plenty of people in Europe, far more than you'd think who live well now on the bones of Jews killed in the Holocaust..



But in all fairness, you give the majority too much credit for knowing even half of this.
it's just much more convenient to find a docile scapegoat than to get your own act together (meaning the unwashed masses the few brains are trying to whip into a frenzy again)
 

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It's not memory thing. Back then they wanted the Jews gone, and now that they found out it is all going to cause WWIII, they are re-thinking the original position. :)

Really, how come they still want Jews out of Europe as well then? Where are Jews supposed to go?

It's really not going to start World War Three btw, I'd look to other places.

There are thousands of Syrians being killed in their own country, doesn't anyone care or do they just want to blame the Jews for everything? SNAFU there then.
 

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Really, how come they still want Jews out of Europe as well then? Where are Jews supposed to go?

It's really not going to start World War Three btw, I'd look to other places.

There are thousands of Syrians being killed in their own country, doesn't anyone care or do they just want to blame the Jews for everything? SNAFU there then.
I don't know where the Jews are supposed to go. I am just telling you the mindset of the people whom want them gone. And just in case you weren't aware, when the US marches "Behind" Israel into a war with Iran, I am thinking it will pull out the Pan-Arab alliance they taught us about in school, and we have WWIII. Yes, they a Persian, but religion will play a role. :)
 
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