...facilitate the activation of two experiences at the same time.The big question is then whether these states are real or hallucinatory. Some of the statements by obe proponents seem to indicate the existence of other dimensions such as the afterworld, new worlds and so on. There are several books in which scientists have examined this issue and if you would like to research more then let me know and I will supply these references.
he only personal way to try to come to grips with these ideas is to experience them for yourself. Shamans of many societies appear able to consistently experience these dimensions and I tend to take more note of their accounts than general obe proponents.I try to keep an open mind mainly because of my own experiences on this issue-hope that answers your query-till the next rr
Absolutely, you have answered my question perfectly and raised a few more. Yes I would appreciate any references you could share.
"two experiences at the same time" I think says it all, an OBE is not two experiences at the same time, for all intensive purposes the physical body may as well be dead, no part of you remains in it. The experience is not "dreamlike" in any way but rather hyper real(though this may fade in time were the body to actually die before your return).
I tend to think that for the sake of hype and marketing a lot of "lucid dreamers" tend to opt for the "it's an OBE and I can do it" route.
Which does nothing for anyone who actually wants to learn how to do it properly.
As for the "alternate realities", I see them much like the normal levels of dreaming where on very "alert" levels the "dream world" is highly interactive and memorable but at deeper levels self awareness is not always there. Evidenced by the repeat dreams where while experienceing a dream you know you have had the dream before several times but were not conscious at the time.
Since as bodily functions sustaining the consciousness reduce, the ability to remain conscious diminishes one has to ask the question..."if I am able to remain conscious throughout the deepest levels of sleep then would that not be akin to remaining conscious even after the physical body has passed?".
If so, then I would say the very subtle world of deepest sleep is a true example of an alternate reality even though not necessarily seperate from this one.
Personally I have only had three accounts of genuine OBE related intel throughout my life (and yes due to meditating one or two hours at a time for many years, I can "Lucid Dream" on demand which has nothing to do with OBE's). The first was on the Hippie farm growing up and it was merely a wise man telling me what to eat and how to prepare it, purely for the purposes of making sure I knew exactly how dangerous it was and NOT to do it. The second was a personal experience which did not require the ingestion of thus unsaid substance but rather a by-product of extreme physical exhaustion followed by relaxed meditation. The third was an account of a friends brother where in this instance my friend walked in on his brother who had previously been told NO voodoo in the house since his brother was just visiting and my friend is opposed to the practice.
Due to knowing first hand that a prerequisite for an OBE is slowing the heart rate down to a virtual stand still and the proliferation of the idea that Ninja could slow their heart rates down(thanks to the TV series the Master) I have often wondered if Ninja could do it but I have never found any evidence of this whatsoever.
In anticipation of potential confusion I must highlight that I personally believe in the Buddhist cosmology model with Mount Meru and the four continents(the entire physical universe being one quarter of one continent).
With Respect,
Stealthy.
