I agree, it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that artists that pride themselves on martial arts as a way to grow and develop into better people would be willing to ignore the stuff that makes people question Gyi's claims. Especially now, with soldiers dieing in real combat, honoring veterans with the truth would be the best tribute out there.tradrockrat said:Uh...1692. The Salem trials were in 1692.
He did this. And now we find that this man may have lied all along. I think we can be forgiven for demanding that he lay the rumors to rest - one way or another.
This could have been easily dealt with several years ago if Gyi had just pulled out one single bit of paperwork or proof that he served - an ID, discharge papers, anything. To date he has not. Why won't he put this to rest? It doesn't make sense that a soldier would let it go this far and risk dishonoring all that he believes in. All I want is a yes or no and one piece of proof.
Information on Dr. Gyi???
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James Miller
Purple Belt
Tgace said:
IÂ’m confused. Does this article defend or damn Dr. Gyi? It shows him teaching the Rangers. WouldnÂ’t the military do a background check before doing this?
Respectfully,
Tgace
Grandmaster
Im just posting what I find with Mr. Gyi and the military involved. Im not screening anything. If you actually read some of the stuff I posted though you will find that some irate veterans have notified the Army and the Marine Corps regarding Mr. Gyi and he has been removed from their websites and training programs. I believe that one person stated that the DOD opened an investigation on Mr. Gyi regarding some of his claims. Again thats all second hand info.
As to the military investigating guest instructors, why would they? Unless they are going to be exposed to operational secrets or restricted areas I doubt that anything past a cursory criminal history check would be conducted...if even that much.
As to the military investigating guest instructors, why would they? Unless they are going to be exposed to operational secrets or restricted areas I doubt that anything past a cursory criminal history check would be conducted...if even that much.
Tgace
Grandmaster
James Miller
Purple Belt
Tgace said:
I would think that some kind of background check on him or what he teaches would be done to make sure the training is worth while.
Tgace
Grandmaster
tradrockrat
2nd Black Belt
I'll be damned.
I never saw that pic before. Doc NEVER wore anything like that around the ABA tournaments or training camps - EVER.
WTF?
I never saw that pic before. Doc NEVER wore anything like that around the ABA tournaments or training camps - EVER.
WTF?
Tgace
Grandmaster
The owner of the POWnetwork website is mentioned in this website....
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_030204_Fakes,00.html
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_030204_Fakes,00.html
Tgace
Grandmaster
http://www.bohans-family.com/bando_notebook/bando.htm
Read carefully.
Read carefully.
Now how can someone say that they can separate these claims from the art? They are being touted as the "proof in the pudding" so to speak.
tradrockrat
2nd Black Belt
Tgace - That was exactly my question when I decided to stop paying my dues to the ABA and cease training with them.
16 years I had been told that this stuff works because if it didn't Gyi would have been dead a dozen times over. A classic example of false logic we all ignored because we trusted the source. Now the truth is that some of it has worked for many people, myself included, but the fact remains that the Bando as practiced by the ABA is touted as a Combat Tested Art that was developed and refined under combat conditions. If Gyi didn't fight, the entire system is a lie. Even if it can and does work, it's still a lie.
Tgace
Grandmaster
To be fair, hes not the only "old timer" to be caught doing stuff like this.
http://www.mishalov.com/False_MoH_Recipients.html
PS: It is 1300 hrs on 9/27/05 and I am at home in my livingroom
http://www.mishalov.com/False_MoH_Recipients.html
PS: It is 1300 hrs on 9/27/05 and I am at home in my livingroom
tradrockrat
2nd Black Belt
I don't know about wise, but I do believe that the only things we have complete control over are our actions, and that our actions define us as who we are. I am still polite and cordial to Gyi whenever we (rarely) meet, but I have no desire to associate with the ABA.
But you no longer are in bed with a liar and a sham because you know that you would be guilty by association. Good choice.tradrockrat said:
Why would anyone with any honor continue to associate with someone this messed up, let alone continue doing business with them.
If this is how he lies in martial arts and military matters, I don't want to know how he might be able to lie on his business accounts.
tradrockrat
2nd Black Belt
This is a little off topic, but it does illustrate the frustration many have felt about the "liquidity" of honor and tradition in the ABA
For my whole life I heard several "traditions" about Bando that were held to be inviolate.
1. Bando is always taught for free - Non-profit
2. Bando is only taught to Adults - it's too combat oriented for children
3. No-one is EVER taught the Kukri or an animal technique until they reach Brown belt at a minimum! - Usually, you had to wait until Black belt because wer're talking about the soul of Bando here. Imagine giving a Samurai Sword to a novice or a seminar attendee. It was something earned, not given.
In the last ten years since Gyis retirement from teaching:
1. Gyi teaches seminars that he charges for. No one else in Bando is supposed to do this. Instructors may teach Bando in their school, as long as it is a free class offered to members who are paying dues to train in a different art.
2. There are children EVERYWHERE in the ABA now, and I personally don't mind this at all, but it was a huge bone of contention when I arrived on the scene with 12 years experience at age 20. I'm talking official complaints by senior members attempting to take my belt rank from me, etc. Now those same members own schools where they teach children themselves.
3. Last, but most important - Gyi teaches a Kukri clinic sponsored by Soldier of Fortune magazine in Las Vegas.
I'd personally love to make a living teaching Bando in a school setting to children, young adults, and adults -- but to this day it is still not allowed.
Do as I say, not as I do?
For my whole life I heard several "traditions" about Bando that were held to be inviolate.
1. Bando is always taught for free - Non-profit
2. Bando is only taught to Adults - it's too combat oriented for children
3. No-one is EVER taught the Kukri or an animal technique until they reach Brown belt at a minimum! - Usually, you had to wait until Black belt because wer're talking about the soul of Bando here. Imagine giving a Samurai Sword to a novice or a seminar attendee. It was something earned, not given.
In the last ten years since Gyis retirement from teaching:
1. Gyi teaches seminars that he charges for. No one else in Bando is supposed to do this. Instructors may teach Bando in their school, as long as it is a free class offered to members who are paying dues to train in a different art.
2. There are children EVERYWHERE in the ABA now, and I personally don't mind this at all, but it was a huge bone of contention when I arrived on the scene with 12 years experience at age 20. I'm talking official complaints by senior members attempting to take my belt rank from me, etc. Now those same members own schools where they teach children themselves.
3. Last, but most important - Gyi teaches a Kukri clinic sponsored by Soldier of Fortune magazine in Las Vegas.
I'd personally love to make a living teaching Bando in a school setting to children, young adults, and adults -- but to this day it is still not allowed.
Do as I say, not as I do?
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