futsaowingchun
Black Belt
How to escape a pinned hand. Using a relaxed body to flow out of the pinned arm position.
Thanks for sharing!How to escape a pinned hand. Using a relaxed body to flow out of the pinned arm position.
@Callen beat me to it. This scenario may look "cool", but it essentially is training the participants to chase hands.Thanks for sharing!
In my opinion this scenario really gives you an excellent opportunity to chase your opponent’s center, instead of his arms. Your left hand is completely free. If the way is clear, attack center.
Hi Callen.. if you noticed in the video what I did was effect his center so it's not chasing hands..Thanks for sharing!
In my opinion this scenario really gives you an excellent opportunity to chase your opponent’s center, instead of his arms. Your left hand is completely free. If the way is clear, attack center.
You absolutely disrupted his structure, but I think attacking center in this context is a bit subjective. I’m in no way attempting to correct or criticize, just offering a different perspective.Hi Callen.. if you noticed in the video what I did was effect his center so it's not chasing hands..
yes i understand everything your talking about.. Am using by body in a different way a differnt set of skill sets. No one base on Centerline theory but based on Center Point theoryYou absolutely disrupted his structure, but I think attacking center in this context is a bit subjective. I’m in no way attempting to correct or criticize, just offering a different perspective.
In my training, for example, when we chi sau, poon sau or gwoh sau, we are always training to attack the opponent's center immediately when the hands are free. The absolute second there is no longer force or pressure on our arms during chi sau, our hands go forward to hit automatically. This is how we develop Lat Sau Jik Chung. Everything we do is in the service of attacking center; elbow position, angling, footwork, hands on top, hitting when the way is clear, etc.. to name a few. Always chase center.
So in terms of your video, another way to think about attacking center from chi sau is to hit as soon as your opponent removes his right arm from your left @0:04 sec. It is a fantastic opportunity for you to be as direct and efficient with the system as possible without chasing hands. It would also make it harder for your opponent to cover your right arm with both of his hands.
To a lot of practitioners, “attacking center” means attacking the opponent's center of mass... and to those who already train this way, attacking the opponent's center of mass is the very definition of putting the centerline concept into action.yes i understand everything your talking about.. Am using by body in a different way a differnt set of skill sets. No one base on Centerline theory but based on Center Point theory
I understand what your saying but am not concerned with attacking center of mass C.O.M am concern with distrubting the Csnter point which is the balance point of the body not C.O.M the center point is about 2" below your navel..as you can see it's very differentTo a lot of practitioners, “attacking center” means attacking the opponent's center of mass... and to those who already train this way, attacking the opponent's center of mass is the very definition of putting the centerline concept into action.
Wong Shun Leung for example, taught his students to place very little emphasis on their own centerline when pressuring and attacking. The focus was always the opponent's center, not their own.
He's one step ahead of me but I let him put me in that position otherwise there would be no video..Your opponent will not do something meaningless.
You may have ignored your opponent's free left hand. Of course you have free left hand too. But since your opponent uses right hand to push up your right arm, he is one step ahead of you.
While you are trying to deal with your oppont's right arm, he can use his
- right forearm to push on your throat.
- left hand to pull your right leg.
- right leg to inner hook your left leg.
Your opponent may take you down when you try to deal with his right arm. This is why I have said that your opponent is one step ahead of you.
Your opponent allows you to have a free left hand. You also allow your opponent to have a free left hand. Too many things could happen there.He's one step ahead of me but I let him put me in that position otherwise there would be no video..
I understand what your saying but am not concerned with attacking center of mass C.O.M am concern with distrubting the Csnter point which is the balance point of the body not C.O.M the center point is about 2" below your navel..as you can see it's very different
This idea is what I call Center point theory which is not using your Centerline, but locking onto the center point or mass of the opponent.
There is no such thing as "chase hands". When your opponent controls both of your arms, you have to free your arms first before you can do anything. If your opponent only controls one of your arms and you have a free arm, that's different story.in the video what I did was effect his center so it's not chasing hands..
There is no such thing as "chase hands". When your opponent control your arm, you have to free your arm first before you can do anything.
When your opponent pushes your arm up, he can attack your center first by his shoulder.
Aside from the cogent comments made by Callen above, I'm a little dubious about the entire exchange shown in the video. Specifically, what is your opponent trying to accomplish with his "attack"? It appears as though he releases your left arm and pushes your right arm upward, and then extends his left arm around your far side (out of view).How to escape a pinned hand. Using a relaxed body to flow out of the pinned arm position.
There is a very clear example of chasing hands in the OP video that started this thread. Go back and watch it again. It happens in the first few seconds.There is no such thing as "chase hands".
Hi Callen.. if you noticed in the video what I did was effect his center so it's not chasing hands..
There is no such thing as "chase hands".
I don't think John uses the term "chasing hands" the way most WC folks do. This is a classic failure to communicate.There is a very clear example of chasing hands in the OP video that started this thread. Go back and watch it again. It happens in the first few seconds.