Joe,
Nice video, the quality and sound get better each time you put them up. You have some interesting ideas. Which sparked some questions
The pattrerns you've shown are nothing more than Figure 8's, one on the high line (speed bagging his head), the other on the low line (working the knees). The extension you speak of would be Obscure Wing, where you work the pattern with your footwork.
I don't understand your "category completion" comment in regard to the Fig. 8 patterns though. You said: (timestamp 3:06 to 3:16 of the video)
"So from bottom of fist to back of fist, back of fist to front of fist. Again, another understanding of the category completion and how to work that off the backknuckles"
What category are you completing? Backfist combos? Could you please elaborate?
Hi folks!
Dear Lance,
Since you took the time to post to the boards I placed the link to and the other main board has long ago gone on to other topics, Let me address your repeat post here where it will get more readers [I think].
As I mention in the clip, the patterns are far more than "Just Figure 8s" There are are study of the master key pattern with consists of a series of master key moves that are sequencial in order and consistant at various point within the interstructure of the techniques of american kenpo.
The " inward/outward/upward/downward" order is consistant throughout the system. the figure 8 in reality is actually another example of "when circular moves end,linear moves begin". By using the "question mark" ? shape as a guideline, we can see it's use via the diagonal actions done in the pattern.
Actually, I was thinking of one of "mace" extentions not obscure wing, which one am I refering to and why?
In regards to your query about the "catagory completion" statement...
In our basics of the American Kenpo system, We have 8 major catagories of basics: Stances,Blocks,Parries,Punches,Strikes,finger techniques & foot manuvers.
When using "Master Key Basics" [whether upper body/lower body or a combination thereof] We are taught to be specif in regards to direction,body position & alignment/method of execution,etc...
for example:
In hooking wings we use a:
Right/Inward/downward/diagonal/raking/hammerfist<Bottom fist> [the raking is accomplished by using the back of our knuckles to compound the hammerfist action] the path of motion is anglar [that is linear on a diagonal [+ {addition} sign as opposede to the X {multiplication sign]
which converts into a circular path to execute a:
Right/outward/downwar/diagonal/back knuckle
note how certain catagories within the interstructure were changed...
Right/Inward/downward/diagonal/raking/hammerfist<Bottom fist>
Right/outward/downward/diagonal/back knuckle
followed by a:
Right/Upward/vertical/Elbow immediatedly followed by:
Right/downward/Vertical/heelpalm-Claw
[NOTE: I am aware that some people will compound a right/downward/vertical/elbow in the path of motion]
master key pattern:inward/outward/upward/downward
now,based on this formula,see what you find in bow of compulsion
NOTE: certain people have stated that I "forgot" the collapsing/flapping vertical elbow strike, I never forgot it, I was simply focusing on the OVERALL pattern taught in the interstructure of the techniques, but by my now mentioning those 2 particular omissions, how do they contribute to the catagory completion concept mentioned in this post?
Lance, by quoting my statement regarding
"So from bottom of fist to back of fist, back of fist to front of fist. Again, another understanding of the category completion and how to work that off the backknuckles"
You actually answered your own question,Do you realize that?
I hope that I was of some service,
KENPOJOE
