Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
I am guessing at this point I should just say, we will not agree and let it go.
later
Assisting Pedophiles & the Destruction of Childhood
- Thread starter ArmorOfGod
- Start date
I am guessing at this point I should just say, we will not agree and let it go.
later
CoryKS
Senior Master
Maybe they are targeting adults, and maybe they ain't. But that pole in the picture that Carol Kaur posted doesn't look like it's going to support an adult woman. I'm just sayin'.
go to the companies website, the poll extends floor to ceiling. It's hard to tell from the picture but it looks like it could be close in sturdiness to doorway mounted chin up bars.
CoryKS
Senior Master
I'm no engineer, but if it's floor to ceiling that width seems awfully flimsy for load-bearing. Unless it's made of carbon nanotubes or something. Either that or the phony dollars are really wide.
well, since we are all just guessing here, we got no idea what the "excercise" are. I would guess that as this is a game being marketed to general public as a party game nothing to fancy is done. But, look at the website, all adults, no kids. Look like there are even some videos there. Have a look before claiming it is "Aimed at kids"
I would guess that the average 8 year old wouldn't even be able to set a floor to ceiling poll up without help...
I would guess that the average 8 year old wouldn't even be able to set a floor to ceiling poll up without help...
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Apparently this part of the article was missed
Tesco agreed to remove the product from the Toy section , but said it will remain on sale as a Fitness Accessory.
Which could be interpreted as it was originally not sold as a Fitness Accessory.
But then again I am just guessing.
The article also talks about Asda being forced to remove from sale pink and black lace lingerie, including a push-up bra to 9 year old girls too.
But that too has not been mentioned here.
Either way I am going to maintain it is just wrong what Tesco did and it is certainly wrong what Asda has done as well.
I do not believe either was assisting pedophiles but it is certainly setting a very bad example for children and I agree with "the Destruction of Childhood label of the post.
Tesco agreed to remove the product from the Toy section , but said it will remain on sale as a Fitness Accessory.
Which could be interpreted as it was originally not sold as a Fitness Accessory.
But then again I am just guessing.
The article also talks about Asda being forced to remove from sale pink and black lace lingerie, including a push-up bra to 9 year old girls too.
But that too has not been mentioned here.
Either way I am going to maintain it is just wrong what Tesco did and it is certainly wrong what Asda has done as well.
I do not believe either was assisting pedophiles but it is certainly setting a very bad example for children and I agree with "the Destruction of Childhood label of the post.
I think it's two different issues. One is clothing marketed at kids, the second is a game / fitness equipment marketed at adults.
But type "Peekaboo pole dancing" into google images, see if you see anything that looks like it is targeting kids.
But type "Peekaboo pole dancing" into google images, see if you see anything that looks like it is targeting kids.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Not to repeat myself but
Tesco agreed to remove the product from the Toy section , but said it will remain on sale as a Fitness Accessory.
Which could be interpreted as it was originally not sold as a Fitness Accessory.
Therefore the problem has been rectified by Tesco so you will not find it anywhere else. And it would also now have a disclaimer for adults only.
None of us know if it had that disclaimer before or not and if it did then they just should have been more careful where it was placed and they should not be vilified but they should be told to be more careful. But if they did not then they are way wrong and deserve all the bad press they get.
Tesco agreed to remove the product from the Toy section , but said it will remain on sale as a Fitness Accessory.
Which could be interpreted as it was originally not sold as a Fitness Accessory.
Therefore the problem has been rectified by Tesco so you will not find it anywhere else. And it would also now have a disclaimer for adults only.
None of us know if it had that disclaimer before or not and if it did then they just should have been more careful where it was placed and they should not be vilified but they should be told to be more careful. But if they did not then they are way wrong and deserve all the bad press they get.
I already addressed most of these points in my previous posts, so I won't bother with redundancy, rather your ability to read what I've posted.
The logical place, of course, for adult games to be, is on a page with a click-through disclaimer to a section of adult games.
In the states, games and toys have an age rating - do they not in the UK or Canada? I don't think putting up one more tab for the grownups will hurt anyone and may protect them from this kind of thing in the future with the click-through.
But there is the problem, no one did. The article said someone did, but no one did. Look at the companies website, do a search for the product name. This is not meant for kids, only a article sensationalizing things to get a mob reaction and get read.
But, if someone can show marketing material that is aiming this at 8-year olds by all means, lets see it. One misleading article doesn't count.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
quote=MA-Caver
HA! More likely people don't act upon them because they knew how much trouble they'd get into if they did. Thus they're more aware and afraid of the consenquences than they are of their own inner-most desires/complusions.
That could certainly be part of it.
The sex-offenders I had worked with (at first) didn't realize or care about the harm their compulsions would've caused they were more interested in their own self-gratification. Later (thankfully) they were made to understand the harm they caused and made to empathize the hurt they caused. Most of them I assume got "rehabilitated" because they knew they'd go to prison for a very long time if they re-offended.
Well, they are sex offenders only because they acted upon their desires. How many people do you suppose are walking around with inappropriate thoughts, but who never act upon them, never hurt anybody, and never get into trouble? We'll never know.
Sometimes it takes years for a person's "inner-most" desires to manifest themselves. That "braving the fire" enough to stick your hand in to get what you want... that can take a while to build up with some people. Thus we become shocked when the neighbor next door is arrested for pedophilia.
Yes, also true, but until it happens, we will never know, unless the person exhibits some other signs of things to come. But this can be subtle and often not easy to spot, except in hindsight, after the fact.
Society here in America says that it's wrong for a child to act in a sexual manner (with each other or with an adult). Society in Thailand says it's okay.
Hmm... I think Thailand is cracking down on pedophiles quite a bit now. A lot of it has to do with the US prodding it to take a stronger stance against sex turists, but the bottom line seems to be that it is a universal standard that it is inappropriate for children to be sexually active. The actual limits and boundaries may be different from culture to culture, but there is a sense that sexual contact between adults and children is wrong.
HA! More likely people don't act upon them because they knew how much trouble they'd get into if they did. Thus they're more aware and afraid of the consenquences than they are of their own inner-most desires/complusions.
That could certainly be part of it.
The sex-offenders I had worked with (at first) didn't realize or care about the harm their compulsions would've caused they were more interested in their own self-gratification. Later (thankfully) they were made to understand the harm they caused and made to empathize the hurt they caused. Most of them I assume got "rehabilitated" because they knew they'd go to prison for a very long time if they re-offended.
Well, they are sex offenders only because they acted upon their desires. How many people do you suppose are walking around with inappropriate thoughts, but who never act upon them, never hurt anybody, and never get into trouble? We'll never know.
Sometimes it takes years for a person's "inner-most" desires to manifest themselves. That "braving the fire" enough to stick your hand in to get what you want... that can take a while to build up with some people. Thus we become shocked when the neighbor next door is arrested for pedophilia.
Yes, also true, but until it happens, we will never know, unless the person exhibits some other signs of things to come. But this can be subtle and often not easy to spot, except in hindsight, after the fact.
Society here in America says that it's wrong for a child to act in a sexual manner (with each other or with an adult). Society in Thailand says it's okay.
Hmm... I think Thailand is cracking down on pedophiles quite a bit now. A lot of it has to do with the US prodding it to take a stronger stance against sex turists, but the bottom line seems to be that it is a universal standard that it is inappropriate for children to be sexually active. The actual limits and boundaries may be different from culture to culture, but there is a sense that sexual contact between adults and children is wrong.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Now youre not going to excommunicate me are you
As a recovering ex-catholic myself, I'm certainly in no position to excommunicate anybody.
Andrew Green said:
I suppose no company has any responsibility to market their items appropriately anymore and anyone who thinks otherwise is reactionary. Curious opinion, but ... your opinion, nonetheless.
Reference to where you see this product being marketed towards children please.
The item was on a page titled "Children's Toys and Games." That's subtle marketing, but marketing nonetheless.
no, the article doesn't say that. It could easily have been on the "Adult Games" page, which makes more sense the way I read that article. But because they left it vague you are free to assume the worst.
Are the other games under "Adult games" a problem in there current location?
Are the other games under "Adult games" a problem in there current location?
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
I hate to repeat myself again here but...
Tesco agreed to remove the product from the Toy section , but said it will remain on sale as a Fitness Accessory.
Which could be interpreted as it was originally not sold as a Fitness Accessory.
Therefore the problem has been rectified by Tesco so you will not find it anywhere else. And it would also now have a disclaimer for adults only.
Minor Rant to follow
They have already fixed the problem so searching the site today is a waste of time. You will not find anything wrong, it has already been fixed, it is not there, it will not be seen by anyone that goes there, it is no longer on the page as previously stated, it is am ex-issue as far as Tesco is concerned. They have fixed the problem so continuing to point at the fact that it is not on the page today is not proving anything it is just saying it is not there today so it wasn't there yesterday and per tescos own admission this is not the case it has been removed from were it once was.
Minor Rant over
OK that is as close to a rant as I have been in a while.
I'm done...for now
I'm not pointing at that page, how about any page, anything coming from the manufacturer that would suggest it is aimed at kids. Any promotional material, any publicity pictures, anything?
If all this was was a minor catalouging error on there website then there is certainly nothing to warrant this moral outrage reaction. But people are claiming it was created and advertised with the purpose of selling it to kids, I see nothing from the manufacturer that would lead to that conclusion at all.
I just see a article that is rather vague and in some ways missleading article. It also looks like it once had it in the "Adult Games" section, but moved it too fitness. (It is not in the adult games section now) The original article also states that it had a adults only classifciation from the beginning.
If all this was was a minor catalouging error on there website then there is certainly nothing to warrant this moral outrage reaction. But people are claiming it was created and advertised with the purpose of selling it to kids, I see nothing from the manufacturer that would lead to that conclusion at all.
I just see a article that is rather vague and in some ways missleading article. It also looks like it once had it in the "Adult Games" section, but moved it too fitness. (It is not in the adult games section now) The original article also states that it had a adults only classifciation from the beginning.
