So sticking with your example of flying... nobody did this.
Yep. The idea of flying has been around for a long time. According to some sources Egyptians had success with it too, not on kites but gliders. I don't the full story of it's one of those things you hear on a history channel in passing. I listed just enough to say "hmmm interesting" and then turned the channel.
Definition of AstronomyAre you describing Astronomy?
Going back to where you used flight as an example of belief before evidence, I think you're limiting what would have been evidence prior to powered human flight. First, there had been birds, bats, and squirrels flying and gliding all around them. Long before powered flight, gliding was a thing, which was preceded by gliding toys. There was evidence all around that flight was possible.The way that I'm using belief is correct.
"I hope that I will win the lottery when I play it, but I don't ever believe that I will."
Hope and belief are not the same thing. Hope is a desire or expectation that something will happen.
I hope I won't get sick. (if you get sick then you might say this.
is not the same as
I believe I won't get sick. (if you are rarely or never sick, then you might say this.)
Have you ever had an ambition in something that you don't believe?
Just because when something is already a fact in someone's mind doesn't mean that they don't feel the need to prove it.
Some people believe in climate change. In their minds, yet they still go out to prove it.
Some people believed that the earth is flat in their minds, yet they still go out to prove it.
Some people believed that witches are real and evil and they burned and drown people at the stake for that.
I believed that kung fu was an effective fighting system before I experienced it. I still believe kung fu is a good effective fighting system. I'm always saying that I want to be a good representation of Jow Ga to show that kung fu can be used. The reason I say belief because there is still some Jow Ga that I know know how to use. The only thing I have to go on is that someone told me it could be used, and on the hope that my understanding of Jow Ga is enough for me to figure it out.
The only things that I don't try to prove in my life are internal things. For example. I don't try to prove the reasoning of my spiritual beliefs. Why? Because my spiritual beliefs don't have anything to do with anyone else. I don't try to prove that I'm a nice guy. I'm not nice to please others. I'm nice because I see some personal benefit in being so. For example, being nice means that I'm less likely to be punched in the mouth.
The more internal something is the less I care about proving it. The more external something is the more important it becomes for me to show the proof. I teach kung fu, so it's not good enough for me to not care if what I believe is fact. Other people may depend on me being accurate about my knowledge and understanding of Kung Fu.
If I were to train you how to fight with Jow Ga Kung Fu. I would only teach you what I can use. I would never teach you what I believe could be use.
Yes, and no doubt at least some of them actually believed that with wings (as demonstrated by the evidence of bird flight all around them), humans would be able to fly.Only when there was evidence.
Maybe you accept Icarus as evidence? Maybe angels? A lot of cultures have winged humans long before actual flight.
At what point in human flight was something designed that wasn't supported by any prior evidence?Sure. Very easy. You can see for yourself.
Design something that has never existed on this planet before. Meaning that there is no evidence that it is possible there is no evidence that it isn't possible.
Start there. Once you are there. You let me know where your idea comes from in the absence of evidence.
I think you're confounding evidence and conclusion, now. Evidence is a starting point that leads to a conclusion. There is evidence that pressure in water is bad for humans beyond a point, and that building and maintaining structures to resist that pressure is expensive. Put that with the evidence that mammals can live deep in the ocean, and you end up with a conclusion that it's likely possible for people to live deep in the ocean, but that it's difficult and expensive.If you take my challenge then you will be one of the many who have done it. The first thing that will come to your mind is the idea void of evidence, then the belief that it is something that you can make true.
There is an abundance of evidence that animals live in the deepest parts of the ocean. Name one human that lives there? Yet there is a lot of evidence that life is there.
Sometimes, just to find out if it is. Some people are like that. But that's not really the point. Vanishingly few advancements jump past the evidence. Most big advancements are because someone finally figured out how to solve a problem that had been stumping others who'd also been trying to solve (like the Wright brothers recalculating lift).Nope. I'm not missing it. I know it's there. But the idea and the belief comes before the work and sometimes it comes before the evidence.
Why would you put hard work into something that you don't believe was possible?
In a sense. Through trial and error, they believed certain methods after proof of concept. Take Daedalus for example.How do you think humans flew? Did they believe their way in to the sky
I intentionally did this on purpose. Because when you speak of kites and human flight, you may have to introduce accidental discoveries. Things that are discovered to be true when evidence nor belief was needed.Going back to where you used flight as an example of belief before evidence, I think you're limiting what would have been evidence prior to powered human flight.
Depends on where your knowledge exists. Are you creating something new that has never existed or are you seeing what others have already created and building off on that knowledge.I don't have to be able to do something myself to have evidence it's possible I could.