Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?

[drop bear]

I did not attack your arguments, on the contrary as I specifically wrote:

I merely wrote that there is more than one way to train, more than one way punch and more than one way to fight. They don't all require wrapped hands and extensive bag work. More importantly, I was hoping to get across the point of not being so focused on one and understand and appreciate there are other ways.

Ok. But however you train.

Training it for longer will make you better at it.

And protection will enable you to train longer.

Still no street distinction there.

Or it won't. And you will find a way to argue against it. And there is still no street distinction there.

 

[drop bear]

I don’t think he attacked your argument as such. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting it doesn’t apply because of streets. It’s about training methodology. Perhaps one way is more expedient, and maybe even more efficacious. That does not invalidate other methodologies that may take longer to effectuate similar goals. In other words, I can make toilet wine rather quickly. That toilet wine may have a different quality than a fine bottle from Montepulciano, but both will get you equally drunk. I make it a point not to judge a man by his choice of drink.

That's fine. Then you build a case on its own merits.

You don't say toilet wine is better because it is more suitable for the streets.

Which you could. Because you can apply that argument to anything. And therefore never have to build a case on its own merits.

 

[JowGaWolf]

It’s also why a Boxer’s Fracture is called a Boxer’s Fracture and not called an Okinawan Fracture.

I did not see that coming.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

You don't say toilet wine is better because it is more suitable for the streets

I hesitate to ask, but what is toilet wine?

 

[Simfers]

It's wine made form fermented toilets, of course.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

Ah of course, silly me

I googled it... and I shouldn't have...

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

That's fine. Then you build a case on its own merits.

You don't say toilet wine is better because it is more suitable for the streets.

Which you could. Because you can apply that argument to anything. And therefore never have to build a case on its own merits.

In my mind the only distinction between streets and rings is that the streets has unknown variables that are entirely contextual to that environment. The ring is full of certainty by contrast. You know who you are fighting, you are equal sized, there are referees and doctors, there are lights, there are no weapons, there is one opponent, and there is protective gear. Toilet wine analogy notwithstanding, I listed the differences. The differences don’t change how you might train, they will certainly change the way you need to fight depending on the variables. As far as merits, I can teach basic striking to someone in a shorter period but then they miss a lot of nuances that add up to being more fluent. The fluency takes time to develop. My guess is that the method I use is not the most expedient, nor the most effective for fighting. Remember that I don’t claim to teach self defense nor street nor ring fighting, I teach principles of movement within a striking framework. Conditioning the body and consistent training repetition is far more important than heavy bags for what I’m teaching. The students can hit the bag on their own time. I have yet to see someone walk into the gym that can do what I ask of them in the first year. I think that is meritorious enough to argue that my toilet wine is effective for its purpose because they are certainly getting something they didn’t have. Whether or not that is palatable is up to the user. As always, mileage may vary.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

It's wine made form fermented toilets, of course.

Well played!

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

It’s also why a Boxer’s Fracture is called a Boxer’s Fracture and not called an Okinawan Fracture.

I have no idea how many of these I’ve assisted in repairing, it’s easily in the dozens, there is always the corresponding “minding my own business” facial fracture that comes in 20 minutes after.