Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?

[Same Trick]

I do kyokushin, and I avoid bulky bags or wristwraps. I like to strenghten my wrists by punching hard without support. All that is working fine and has for years.

The only reason i wear some bag gloves (not boxing gloves) is to avoid ripping the skin of the knuckels. I don't think it's the skin i want to strenghten, it's by wrists and hand strength. But the problem i have is that as i punch hard, the gloves which as skin, has friction to the knuckels inside the gloves.

I tried boxing gloves, and i tried boxing wraps but I don't like them. I like to be are bare as possible. So the compromise is thta i have put some kinesology tape ontop of my knuckles, under the gloves. This actually doe the trick - but after one hour of sweat and heavy punhcing, the loosen even fall out of the fingers! Last time I was wondering who lost tape in room, but it was me, and and after the training both my punching knuckles on both hands where bleeding and the tape was off. And during sparring, this tends to get going again and i get blood all over everyone.

So do you guys have any better tricks?
I have these type of gloves, which are the thinnest i have found that I like. I tried also several models of mma and tkd gloves buy they dont fit nice.

And I tape the knuckles, NOT hard for support, just to cover the top of hte knuckle skin. But after 30 mins it detaches. Any better ideas? I think the problem is i punch hard, maybe harder that i have to. But I like the kind of training, but the knuckle skin goes. I am considering perhaps taping around, instead of ontop and see if it helps. I do not wrap the hands, I just put one stripe litteraly ontop of the knuckles. not on the inside of hte hand.

It also occured to me that the gloves shoulgh the tighter? right now they are a bit loose.. so my hands has some wiggle room inside - is that the problem?
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Accuracy rather than power, don’t let the heavy bag fool you, it hangs there kind of inviting anyone - “ hey you! Come here give your best shot” don’t fall for it.
And don’t use gloves, as you say hands get extra sweaty, and so skin extra softy and will rip more easily

 

[Sammy Naur]

you are training for full-contact competition you will use wraps and gloves per the rules of the competition.

Sorry I missed this specific statment. No way.

Wraps, gloves, and tape have nothing to do with any competition ruleset. They are prophylactic/preventative measures, developed over mankind's entire history and you won't find many disponents who are alive.

Whereas in the combat sports community, people typically give a lot of credence to disinfection, prophylactic layering, etc.

This is because of how disease and injury are often occur, or spread between martial artists who train realistically.

Your whole line of reasoning still appears to fall along the "street vs sport" mindset, which I will never buy, honestly.

I mean, go ahead and hit anything you want for the next 100 years, without injury. I get injured at least 3-4 times a week doing basic judo and boxing.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Tell that to a TKD guy who breaks 3 or 4 boards as part of their regular training, or an Okinawan guy who punches a rope-wrapped reinforced 2x4 a hundred times. I think these things are at least as hard as a human rib or face. But yeah, you're right, most people not training this way would have a risk of injury.

"TKD guy"?

"Okinawan guy"?

Not only would I do so, I think you should show us all some examples, so we can see exactly what you mean.

You can start with the "Okinawan guy who punches a rope-wrapped reinforced 2x4 a hundred times."

If you want. If you're being sarcastic or funny, I agree.

If not, I have to point out there is not a shred of evidence out there that any of that is effective.

 

[Fungus]

If you are training for full-contact competition you will use wraps and gloves per the rules of the competition

While I don't train for competitions, if i ever decide to test competing for fun, the rules for full-contact and then NO protection is allowd except groin and teethguard.

No gloves or shin pads as per knock-down rules, for extra pain I guess.

So our instructors encourages us to train without gloves when possible, to strenghten our wrists.

I've actually hardene my wrist from hitting elbows hard, and while it took a loong time to get better, it seems have gotten stronger! I can tell from striking my wrists that there is some extra tissue protectign the nerves that wasnt there before.

 

[Fungus]

Brand picked at random.

thanks, I have a similar one, that I used as is (not inside enother glove) but they padding ontop of hte knuckels disposition, but perhaps i can find another braind. I think how think they are, this is the kind of "gloves" I like. I still need to be ableto make a proper fist and ont have padding undner then hand.

 

[Same Trick]

No need to cuddlewrap our god given natural weapons -

“Human hands may have evolved their unique shape in order to better punch the living daylights out of competitors, a new study suggests.”



Human Hands Evolved for Fighting, Study Suggests

 

[Flying Crane]

"Never had an injury" again, implies you haven't trained for full contact. When you do, you never train on a heavy bag without protection, just like you don't go into a combat sport environment without it.

People in boxing, Muay Thai gyms etc. (doesn't matter the national style) are scolded for doing that, by people who know better.

You're the second person (in a row, after @Badhabits ) who claimed "decades" of not needing it. I'm noticing a pattern here, of people who dismiss basic full contact hand to hand fighting knowledge with "I've got decades of experience".

You do you. No worries.

 

[Flying Crane]

Sorry I missed this specific statment. No way.

Wraps, gloves, and tape have nothing to do with any competition ruleset. They are prophylactic/preventative measures, developed over mankind's entire history and you won't find many disponents who are alive.

Whereas in the combat sports community, people typically give a lot of credence to disinfection, prophylactic layering, etc.

This is because of how disease and injury are often occur, or spread between martial artists who train realistically.

Your whole line of reasoning still appears to fall along the "street vs sport" mindset, which I will never buy, honestly.

I mean, go ahead and hit anything you want for the next 100 years, without injury. I get injured at least 3-4 times a week doing basic judo and boxing.

Once again, you do you.

 

[Badhabits]

First of all, no, I haven't done full contact all out fighting in MMA or UFC or anything. My full contact has been in sparring which definitely isn't the same. But I have been in a few fights. I've punched people hard in the skull, not face but skull. Didn't hurt me one little bit. That's enough "evidence" to satisfy me for what I want. I don't think anyone is equating hitting bags or makiwara with being able to fight or hitting an actual person. It's just different training methods. A makiwara resists punches in a way a heavy bag doesn't. It flexes, it pushes back, a kind of resistance training. It's not just whacking a post with your fist. Heavy bag and makiwara complement each other very well. Maybe if I did full contact fighting on a regular basis my opinion on hand protection would change. One thing I do fully believe, is that what little punching ability I have would be less without these training methods. So they have value for me. I have a friends and acquaintances who absolutely won't hit bags or even pads without some type of hand/wrist protection. It's fine. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

This is true.

Never do this.

Always tape, always wrap, and when possible, always glove.

The legions of grapplers I know whose fingers are all useless now, never realized how important it was to protect yourself at all times.

It's the "hardcore hand training", "I use a makiwara", and "my fists are iron forged) crowd that never seems to understand this.

It comes down to a basic fact: when training, you always want to avoid injury.

But in a fight, you may not have a choice.

I’m not a grappler, but I’ve broken and wrecked my hands and fingers so many times that some parts don’t function like they should. I wish I had better sense and more caution when I was young. I’ve put a lot of miles on my bag gloves.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

FWIW in decades of hitting bags and makiwara, I've never taped, wrapped or worn gloves. My hands and fingers are just fine.
However, I've also never found a solution to knuckle skin tearing at some point.

Maybe limit bag time to 30 minutes.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

This is true.

Never do this.

Always tape, always wrap, and when possible, always glove.

The legions of grapplers I know whose fingers are all useless now, never realized how important it was to protect yourself at all times.

It's the "hardcore hand training", "I use a makiwara", and "my fists are iron forged) crowd that never seems to understand this.

It comes down to a basic fact: when training, you always want to avoid injury.

But in a fight, you may not have a choice.

I never tape, I never wrap, I use gloves most of the time for skin protection. I honestly don’t do much bag work these days, I’ve got too much on my plate as it is.