Yeah, but it only demonstrates the technique and power required to break a few boards. Hitting the human body, especially a large, angry, conditioned body intent on doing you damage is a very different thing.TigerWoman said:Actually anybody with enough mass can power through a pile of boards alot easier than someone of 135lbs. and without much use of technique either. For a smaller person, it DOES take technique and DOES show power. Beside good technique you also have to have muscle to back up a power break especially for women and teens.
Adept said:Yeah, but it only demonstrates the technique and power required to break a few boards. Hitting the human body, especially a large, angry, conditioned body intent on doing you damage is a very different thing.
Barring walking into a biker bar to pick a fight, there really is no other way. Martial artists cannot go around knocking people's heads off and breaking ribs to test their technique. The philosophical and moral foundations of most styles forbid this.
Ironically, in Korea this was done for years before the Japanese outlawed Tae Kyon practice. One of the reasons why Tae Kyon/Tang Soo Do/Tae Kwon Do had a bad reputation in Korea. It was considered the province of thugs, gangsters, and troublemakers.
FearlessFreep said:Like forms and sparring, breaking is just a part of practicing to improve and measure progress.
One thing breaking *does* give is measurement. Kicking a pad or a sparring partner gives a subjective measurement of how much power you think you delivered. Breaking only one board last week and two boards this week means you *have* improved your power.
Also, boards are hard; hogus and pads are soft. Breaking boards provides conditioning in ways that pads cannot.
Just different ways of practicing, of demonstraing power to yourself or others. Maybe artificial but everything is artificial in one way or another. Each method of training is artificial along some lines; the trick is to pick several ways of training so that was is artificial in one training approach is emphasized in another.
FearlessFreep said:I was actually thinking more of the mental conditioning. Kicking a soft target and kicking a hard target are not the same sensation to get used to; even mentally to be prepared to kick through the target and shatter it; be it board or be it bone.
FearlessFreep said:but that's a bit subjective. If 'power as a demonstration of technique mastery' is to be used as a discriminator in advancing rank or failing, then some sort of "yes he did, no he didn't" measurement is needed; and breaking x numbers of boards can demonstrate that, because the board either broak, or didn't.
FearlessFreep said:Nothing is like hitting a chest to break a rib or hitting a leg to break a bone, except for actually doing it. This is somewhat discouraged in most places, so we see to break it down into elements that simulate some part of the real experience and do that, and hope the whole is as great as the parts.
FearlessFreep said:A heavy bag is round, and doesn't have the angles of a human body and does nt move convincingly
A dummy on a wavemaster (Bob) has angles and curves and firmness but does not move or fight back
A sparring partner moves unpredictably, but wear protective gear and the rules are designed for saftey
A board resists different than cloth and padding, and shatters, but does not move defensively or aggressively like an opponent. It also is a small, focused target compared to a body or a bag.
All of them emulate really hitting a human in anger, all of them fall short along some manner, all of them taken together will come close.
I'd like to say something here. Every time I've seen somebody injure themselves breaking, it's been by becoming frustrated and angry and then trying to break the board. Sometimes, that's how the person mentally prepared themselves to do a break..."GET ANGRY". Other times, it's because they missed the break and became angry as a result. Regardless of how they arrived at that point, end result has usually been the same. They try to smash whatever it is they're trying to break with nothing but brute force powered by their anger. Anger clouds judgement and reasoning, also, if you're angry you're not focusing on the finer points of the mechanics behind the strike. So, you get angry, try to pulverize the target, something gets out of alignment or angled wrong, ending with you be being broken instead of the board or bricks. Perhaps it was just a poor choice of words on your part, but you should never hit something or someone in anger. You'll probably regret what you did to yourself, the object, or the person you hit.FearlessFreep said:All of them emulate really hitting a human in anger...
I had an idea that that is what you meant. But since you used the word "angry", I wanted to throw some of my two pennies out...not meant at all as an attack on your post, just something I felt needed to be said.FearlessFreep said:Every time I've seen somebody injure themselves breaking, it's been by becoming frustrated and angry and then trying to break the board
I probably should've chosen a better word. I didn't mean 'in anger' as in you are angry at the opponent, I just meant hitting them seriously because it matters