Will Brazilian Jiujitsu eventually replace Japanese Jujitsu?

Japanese jujujtsu is and has always been a mixture of Karate, Judo, Aikido and BJJ techniques, although the tendency is that they can't do either one properly.

 

It was not a statement of lineage. If you kick and punch, you will inevitably overlap with Karate. And Japanese Ju Ju jutsu schools have always kicked and punched, but they are more Krav Maga esque..

 

Mere assertions won't further this discussion. JJJ has always had striking, contrary to what the OP seems to think.

"This included the development of various striking techniques in jujutsu which expanded upon the limited striking previously found in jujutsu which targeted vital areas above the shoulders such as the eyes, throat, and back of the neck. However towards the 18th century the number of striking techniques was severely reduced as they were considered less effective and exert too much energy; instead striking in jujutsu primarily became used as a way to distract the opponent or to unbalance him in the lead up to a joint lock, strangle or throw."

 

I didn't use the word "based".

 

I will also add that the OP was the one using the term Karate originally, which is perfectly fine with me.

I have been to japanese Ju ju jutsu clubs, and they are no more Karate than TaeKwondo clubs are judo in self defense training... Things overlap.

 

With respect I suspect that you have been to schools that combine judo, aikido, karate etc and call themselves Japanese jujutsu

 

The threadmaker?

 

I was talking about the "American" jujitsu styles, not the classical Japanese Jujitsu styles. Danzen Ryu or Small Circle would be an example of an American style of Jujitsu, while Tenjin Shinyo Ryu or Kito Ryu would be examples of the classical JJ systems. Brazilian Jujitsu would be an example of an American jujitsu style, since it combines Judo, Wrestling, and other grappling systems.

 

I don't see how BJJ is supposed to replace it when they don't allow strikes in their competitions.

 

Someone is throwing a punch at you, you duck under the punch and take them down. You use positional control to remain on top and submit them.

Someone is on top of you throwing punches. You put them in your Guard, deflect the attack, sweep, and use positional control to remain on top and submit them.

Someone attempts to tackle you. You put their head in the guillotine while their momentum makes you fall backwards. You put them in your Guard, utilizing positional dominance, and finish the choke.

Conversely if you can't maintain the choke, you sweep to top position and again use positional control to stay on top and submit from there.

Multiple circumstances, same basic principle.

So you're saying the ability to stop the mobility of an attacker (and actually works extremely well against larger, stronger attackers) isn't viable for self defense?

I'm sure there's plenty of arts that contain those things. The question is can those techniques be performed under duress or against a resisting opponent? Bjj practitioners have shown that they can employ their techniques in a bad situation. I've seen practitioners of other systems not being able to employ their art when someone is resisting or attacking them.

Actually that's exactly what I was describing.

 

I don't see how allowing strikes in competition means much to anything. In Gracie JJ striking is almost always implied in practice. For example, I was trained to force a RNC from back mount by punching/elbowing my attacker on either side of his head.

As I said, what gives Bjj influence is its perceived effectiveness. People want to train in a style that works, not fairy dust BS where you spend decades training and the only thing you've learned is a medieval Japanese dance complete with a dress (Hakama).

 

You clearly know litte about it.

Sport Ju Jutsu has sparring and submission

 

Sport Ju Jutsu isn't the type of Jujitsu I'm talking about. In fact, I rather like the general direction Sport Jujutsu is heading in.

 

Kron Gracie was a SW world champion who lost to a middle of the road UFC fighter.

 

See. Told you it exists.

 

Yes in decision. He's still 5-1, and he's 5-1 because he is quite capable of utilizing BJJ against a highly trained resisting opponent. Heck, no one wants to fight Ryan Hall because they're afraid of his leg locks.