No I am saying something different. I am saying that I constantly hear these tails of expertise from guys who don't have the fundamentals. Standing arm bars are a great example. So if you had good basic wrestling and striking you should do ok in MMA. Now without at least good fundamental wrestling concepts I don't see how you can get a standing arm bar to work. And I spent years trying without them. People just don't just fall in to these positions. They fight you. But we have guys who will get simply dominated in tests of these fundamental tools essential to these techniques working. But then claiming that they are masters of some sort of system. It quite simply doesn't add up.