Why do Japanese arts use the Japanese language?

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  1. jobo

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    .. why did they have to invade either Okinawa or japan .? they had sunk all the ships they could have just have accepted conditional surrender and gone home and saved even more lives...if saving lives rather than setting up naval bases was there main concern.. BETWEEN 15 AND 50 % ....??. that's some margin of error
     
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    There are various analyses of the civilian cost of the Battle of Okinawa. Given the total destruction and various methods of estimating, as well as differing ways of classifying who is a combatant in that sort of hellish warfare, there is a wide range of estimates.

    Japan would not have surrendered if the USA just turned around and retreated. And they were refusing to surrender despite the fact that we'd crushed their navy. If we wanted Japan to surrender, I'm not aware of a third option besides the nuclear bombings or a ground invasion.
     
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    japan wanted to sue for peace , the Americans insisted on unconditional surrender, because they wanted naval basis.

    so they killed an unspecified number at Okinawa and evaporated some women and children with a A bomb to get their way and their bases

    as it is the japanese only surrender when Russia declared war on them, so the whole thing was a waste of lives
     
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    Re-read my first post on this, #133. No reference to the Germans in particular, rather to the war effort, and a casual reference to a fictional TV series based on a scenario in which the Germans and the Japanese won WWII. Not all that important anyway. I don’t care to argue. I’ll let you get back to the OP.

    To the rest of you, sorry about the digression.
     
  5. Kung Fu Wang

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    A fictional movie, "The World Sinks Except Japan".

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    It’s always nice to hear the opinion of a Brit concerning World War 2.
     
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    Personally, I’d rather get Tez’s opinion on this one!
     
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    there not opinions, they're facts, which you could easily verify if you weren't getting your historical perspective from amazon prime originals
     
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    I asked my Aikijuijitsu teacher why he doesn't use Japanese terminology and he said its because we don't live in Japan. He then asked if I had a problem with that. lol
     
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    That is what you took away from the war effort? Sad and very misguided. Makes a person wonder what are they putting in the history books over there.
    Strangely, you seem to be the only one with that perspective.
     
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    I hear you geezer.
    @hoshin1600, that may be an impression left by some in the more recent generations but it certainly is not the mainstream culture in America. You, like many others have gotten sucked into believing everything you hear/read from the "news" mediums you choose to listen to.

    Honestly, that comment is very insulting.
     
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    And I guess Japanese planes did not bombs on the Hawaiian Islands either, right?
     
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    most of them have history in them, you should try one, you may amazed to realise what contain with in, rather than biting on the narrative pushed by the american establishment and hollywood,

    there are multiple modern democracies that just dennie that crimes against humanity committed by that countries passed actually happen, america it seems amongst them,

    if you dont agree with my take, try posting some facts that contradict my posts rather than emotional statements

    the heavy civilian death toll in okinawa was mostly the result of the americans shooting anything that moved and to a much lessor extent the japanese encouraging them to commit suicide

    to then use that death toll for which they were mostly responsible as justification to drop A BOMBS is bizarre logic. though maybe if they went on a killing spree of civilians on main land japan comparable with okinawa, then the death toll may have been higher
    THEN
    Japan was quite prepared to let america bomb half a dozen cities rather than unconditional surrender, america was quite prepared to drop another 4 bombs or so to make them.

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    in that context its hard to decide which was the bad guy
     
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    What are you trying to say???
    So, what do you think would have happened to your island, and a lot of Europe had the U.S. not gotten involved?

    Let me ask you for proof of 4 other bombs and whatever the heck it was you were trying to say about suicides?
     
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    itss rather debatable what would have happened to this island, we weren't in any danger of being invaded in the short term, the issue was the blockade starving us of resources.

    if we had stuck it out till the russian invaded germany then we would have been fine.

    its part of the american narrative they saved europe from the nazis, when really that was the russians. its more true that they saved europe from the russians, well at least half of it
     
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    Wow, just wow.
    What a small mind.
     
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    actual history doesn't agree with your holliwood america saved the world

    to be honest i'd be more grateful if they hadn't let 10,000 of us die before they decided to help, by that point we were past the worst and could have stuck it out for another year or so till we were '' rescused by the russians.

    do you know we have only just finished repaying the war aid you sent ? you may have helped but my god did you charge us for it
     
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    There. This is why we don’t discuss politics—outside of martial arts politics—on this forum. Let’s get back on topic guys!
     
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    no im pretty certain they did, its also widely accepted that america was trying to provoke japan into an act of war, further more that they had broken the japanese codes and new an attack was interment and chose not to defend pearl harbour, apart from moving their aircraft carriers out of harms way
     
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    The last loan was Discharged in 2006. Let's do the math; 2006-1945 = 61 years. Again, Wow, just wow.123
     

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