Hi all... I know this is a subject that has been done time and time again. But here goes. I have seen through posts how some people really just dont like the thought of "spirtuality" in martial arts. Thats ok, because in alot of ways niether do I. I just see "spirutality" as something different. I am hoping this post will help to elaborate the way that I think it was meant to be seen. A few defintions.... Spirit: <over 12 definitions. I took the first> 1: The vital principle or animating force within human beings. 5a: The part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings. Spiritual: 1: Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit. Not tangible or material. Spirituality: 1: the state, quality, manner of being spiritual. So in my opinion in order to understand spirituality, spriitual, you have to look to the root of the definiton. Spirit. Because just adding -uality- or -ual- you are just adding to the original definition, not neccessairly changing it as we see above. So I would like to put forth the following thought. If Spirit, has to do with the part of the human associated with the mind, will and feelings, then according to Kano and other original creators of martial arts, then martial arts is indeed spiritual. Not in the sense of the definition in regards to religion. Because when I was looking there were indeed those definitions. In regards to "ghosts" "religion" "Clergy" being "holy" and so on. Well my personal opinion is that martial arts does not hold a "spirit" in that sense. But a "spirit" in the sense of the mind. A thing that is not neccessarily "tangible" or "material" according to the definition, but something that is none the less important. And according to Kano, and other masters, cultivating the mind is just as important as physical education and training. So in just this sense of the definition of spirutal and sprituality, I would have to say yes. Martial arts is spirutual. It has nothing to do with crystal balls, having a circle where you talk to the dead, or being all wise an knowing by just doing a kata. Or any "hocus Pocus" like that. Now, a "sixth sense" maybe. We have not yet to prove or disprove this existence. I myself personally believe, just by being a mom, in the knowing or feeling of things, if you get my meaning. But in regards to martial arts I would have to say in my personal feelings that unless you are a master of Kanos ability, then most likely not. All my personal feelings aside... Spritual in the sense, that while cultivating your mind, you learn, experience and feel things that can not be seen on paper or to anyone else but yourself. That it is a mind based thing, that only the holder of the mind can feel, describe and understand. And according to the definition and Kanos writing I would have to say, this is a pretty close assumption. But that could just be me.. I hope you all find this interesting and maybe something many of us agree on. So that we can finally get past it being "spiritual" and concentrate on the other parts as well.