What is a better self defense weapon knife or baton?

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  1. jobo

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    on that criteria my 88 yo mother could teach self defence, she spent most of my early life saying" try not to get into so many fights our Joe"
     
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    Self defense tools should be well trained however, when in actual carry it's more like having a spare tire.
    'You hope you'll never need to use it, but if you do it's there.'
    Most all of us have a good spare tire; how much effort do you spend showing off or comparing your spare tire to others?
     
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    The spare tire is a great analogy Danny.
     
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    There is no way a bare knuckle punch can do near the damage of a punch of equal skill and power using brass knuckles. Early in my LEO career slap jacks were many officers go to, putting it in the palm of their hand and slapping the **** out of someone. Hence the name. You better believe they work. I don't get you short club analogy.

    There are cheap stun guns online that are not have nearly effective as what LEO carry. Comparing a stun gun to a true taser is not apples to apples. Either one is going to get someone's attention but the stun gun may just piss them off.

    To your original question, what is your line of work that you need so much firepower? Of the two weapons in question, definitely the knife.
     
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    If the area is safe, why are you tooling up?

    It being 'a hobby' is a really poor reason by the way, it's honestly coming across as extreme paranoia.

    I like one part of this analogy - I've met loads of people who were utterly incapable of swapping out their spare if they got a flat ;)

    Also, I've put more effort into comparing the options I have for a spare tyre than I ever have thinking about carrying a weapon...

    While "it's better to look at it than look for it" is a valid idea, there's also a likelihood of need continuum.

    I carry a spare tyre in my car because there's a fair chance I'll need it one day - I've had to use the facility maybe 10 times since I started driving. On a pushbike I carry puncture repair stuff, again because there's a fair chance I'll need it (much more often than the car spare).

    Compare that to what weapons I've carried for SD purposes - none.

    How many times in the last 43 years I've needed a weapon for SD purposes - none.

    I have enough to carry already (key and wallet, sometimes) without adding hardware I'll likely never need...

    The OP seems more like he'd tow a spare car, and a complete set of parts too - even though his car is reliable and he has good breakdown cover (safe area ;))
     
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    she could very well teach, not my place to say if she can or cant, it would probably be a more honest senior self defence class than some out there. :p

    Anyway thats degrading from the subject matter so im stopping the discussion line before it degrades too far.
     
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    Would your name be Mick Dundee?
     
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    The only people i ever see carry guitars are teenagers/college students, homeless (or fake homeless) people, or people going to/from studios. All of them have a reason for it. Id find it stupid to carry a guitar if you dont plan to use it, only reason for it would be for ego.

    Similarly, i cant think of any other reason for carrying 5+ weapons at a time, except going to train somewhere where you need that. If anything, you're putting yourself in more danger as anyone your fighting now has more opportunities to arm themselves.
     
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    Same here, though I've always figured that the one time I was ever in a pinch and really needed to use a weapon to aid me in an SD situation, I'd have course set it down at the other end of the couch... or put it in my proverbial backpack because it was in my way or something. Murphy's Law.
     
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    Pretty good will post some pics of how I conceal carry it.

    How have you seen brass knuckles work? From what I have seen you do short little jabs with them not full on punches. Not saying they dont work but if lets say I punch correctly with good body mechanics and my punch is an 8 out of 10 but with brass knuckles I can punch a 10 out of 10. There is not enough of a difference for me to carry them.

    A slapjack is essentially a short club so why not carry a longer club and have more range and more power?

    I agree on the stun gun thing. I believe I said stun gun and not taser. I have yet to use a taser in practice due to the price.

    You can believe whatever you want to believe of me.

    If you stopped me on the street right now you would find I have a phone and a knife. My phone is my keys my wallet and my phone. I rarely carry a physical wallet and keys anymore since my phone does it all. I dont drive so I do not need a drivers license or ID where I live.
     
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    You have a special line in over sized shirts and really awful oversized jackets ,just to hide your weapons ,that is realky dedicated, but it's the fashion police you need to worry about, and the very least you look like a shop lifter
     
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    Actually the jacket is from 2013 when I was heavier. Also similar stuff with the shirts. I bought 7 of the same shirts so I essentially wear the same shirt everyday.

    People care about how they look?
     
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    You're all being trolled really hard here.
     
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    You'd need to be a foot taller for that jacket to fit
     
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    And I forget that every time.

    Quick, Bill, sell me a bridge, I have cash money!
     
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    Yeah, but im also bored so it works.
     
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    You might want to care how you look. If you were around my job site we would be on you like white on rice. You know why? Because it looks like your carrying things you're trying to hide.

    Key word in that sentence is "trying".
     
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    Well it is a good thing I dont live in maui. What are the knife laws down there?123
     

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