What is a better self defense weapon knife or baton?

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  1. jaime_lion

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    So yes I know the best self defense is avoiding fighting and such. But I am wondering specifically on these two weapons what is better for self defense a fixed blade knife with a 7 inch blade or a 2 foot baton?
     
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    all things being equal id pick the baton, not least as it reduces the likely hood that the other guy will end up dead, which tends to complicate your life some what
     
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    Which ever you will carry more reliably, the knife has more killing potential a baton tends to give more reach. (for what you can conceal carry anyway)

    Or can legally carry/own for that matter. I would suggest pursuing carrying some form of chemical spray as well if its legal maybe a pistol.
     
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    Along with what rat said, whichever you will carry more reliably (and know if either are banned in your country/province/state), AND can reach easily (if you keep a baton in your backpack, not very helpful).

    Beyond that, whichever one you're more comfortable with. Personally in a fight I'd be happy to have either (or one of each or two of one), but that depends on your training in both using the weapon, and in weapon retention.
     
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    Personally I think a fixed 7 inch blade is a bit much for everyday carry, I also want my SD weapon concealed. A baton offers more range and versatility(striking, locks, chokes, etc)
     
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    Want to add in, ill typically carry a knife or something that can be used as a knife when i go into the city, and when im driving i have a pair of heavy escrima sticks in my car. So i guess both?
     
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    Knife.
     
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    I think we should carry knives and wooden batons. Then we could learn to whittle.

    Whittle.jpg
     
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    So knife ok gotcha.

    I carry my fixed blade concealed.

    I have also carried concealed
    Brass knuckles
    sap
    Blackjack
    monkey fist
    rock in sock
    lock on chain
    nunchaku
    manriki chain
    ninja climbing claws
    4 oz can of pepper spray
    Expandable baton
    non-expandig baton Though I can only conceal carry this in the winter cause it gets to hot to wear a jacket during the summer.

    I could carry a gun concealed with no permit legally but I have never been big into guns.

    Please elaborate?
     
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    That depends what you want it to do. For ending a fight decisively, I'd probably give the edge (no pun intended) to the bladed weapon. For gaining options to control/defend with less chance of doing serious harm, the baton is better.

    For me, I'd personally prefer the baton. I'm more skilled with it, and likely at less risk if it ends up in the other guy's hands.
     
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    While that would be a waste of a good purpleheart baton, it would make for a really nice little carved figurine.
     
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    I don't know what area you're in, but in most places in the US, a lot of that is illegal to carry. In many places, a blade that large is illegal to conceal (but legal to carry open).
     
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    I'd move to another city, if you have to walk round with that kit
     
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    Feel free to move to South Dakota.
     
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    I'd check local laws if you haven't already. I've yet to find a place in the US (mind you, I've not looked anything like everywhere, so probably some places exist) where blackjacks/slapjacks and brass knuckles aren't generally illegal.

    Me, I'll stay where I am.
     
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    Already have and can I get my penny? You told me to check my laws and everytime someone tells me to do that I charge them a penny. So far I am halfway to buying my own 700 dollar knife.
     
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    Just personal choice. Even with all the baton training I've done, I am better trained as a knife fighter.

    And as a bonus (Ding! Ding! Ding!) with a good knife I can go find a decent stick and make a suitable baton.
     
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    ironically, Canada define brass knuckles as a band of metal so plastic and non metal ones are allowed. last time i heard of this anyway, laws are always changing and debated on.

    I would go with a pistol, its the superior weapon out of all of them, carry a knife with it so you have a CQC weapon and maybe OC spray for a less than lethal ranged one. Obviously only if you want to actually carry it and will and get sufficient education and training in all to use them safely, legally and reliably. firearms training which isn't based on SD can get a little ehh in terms of using firearms from the draw in close range situations where your fists or a knife would work better. Depends on the place and course and scope of the course and instructor. Not everyone is a prodigy of their time to teach things or as good as each other or have the same views and experiences.


    Oh by my reasoning of superior weapon is a pistol, at least as a concealed carry weapon. It can be used at range and point blank and has a shock wave going along with the rounds, so you have the permanent wound cavity and the one caused by the shock wave. it can also (pending round) go through clothes and other barriers effectively, again pending round and what material.
     
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    do you own a pistol ?
     

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